Thanks again Scott.

I saw your earlier post and replied to it. :)

I get what you're saying regarding the gas tank as an example of not
'putting myself in a corner'. It's a good point. I get it. Just
apprehensive about the gas can thing. Albeit it would only be used to
drive it down the driveway, turn around, then back it into the carport
so I can work on the arse end of it.

Yup this Jetta ABA has the oil cooler. I have stripped some stuff off
the Jetta engine coolant pump, seals, belts, as I'll be replacing
them. I saw the small hose to the oil cooler. It will stay as will the
other will too. It appears I have all the needed Jetta coolant hoses.
For sure I won't alter what has been established through $$$ spent by
VW. It should all work out fine.

My plan all along was to adapt the Vanagon rad, heater core, to the
Jetta cooling system. I see this hybrid cooling system (not including
electricals)basically as a Jetta engine with a bigger rad and heater
core.

Thanks again. I really appreciate the help/insight. It is proving to
be a great project in many ways. It is stretching my mind to "see" how
the parts "go together", and is refuelling other parts of my mind that
have been a little dormant. All good.

I would be happy to show this conversion to any and all when she's
done. Hopefully that will be before the end of March. I wanna actually
use this Westy to go camping! --- :^)

Neil.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> Hi neil,
>  Nice to see your comments and any response in general.
>  You'll see my comments in another post how it's hard to even tell which pipe
>  goes where 'sort of' ........the very best way is to have another van to
>  look at.
>  But it doesn't' really matter as you have a hybrid here anyway made up of
>  three different things coming together.......your 81 air cooled van , the 85
>  donor van's parts, and a jetta engine.
>  You'll also see my strong recommendation to not put the tank it yet .
>  I can't emphasize that enough.
>  I also cautioned about not locking yourself in anywhere, which you could by
>  installing the tank prematurely, just in case you do need to adjust pipes or
>  whatever.
>  Resist the temptation to accomplish short term goals.............
>  It's just a complete waste to have to take something back apart that was put
>  in before it was really needed.
>  Get the major components mounted first.  The gas tank is the very last part
>  I'd put in almost .........maybe air filter is , or the tach wiring
>  .............but do the big components first.
>
>  Since you have a 15 degree installation you could try to plumb the engine
>  the same way it is in the jetta, as opposed to doing it diesel vanagon
>  style.
>  There's some difference at the oil cooler, which I believe you have.  You
>  'should' be able to keep the jetta oil cooler hoses layout just like it is
>  now on your ABA engine........but that is different than diesel vanagon, so
>  be careful.
>   I only mention diesel vanagon a lot because that is the only stock inline 4
>  vanagon engine layout...........and they figured out how to make the cooling
>  system work right.
>  (not to get all crazy about cooling system details yet, but on one AAZ into
>  a Doka I did, I varied slightly from DV layout, and it didn't cool properly.
>  I had to really get into the oil cooler hoses and heater return to figure
>  out that it must be DV style, conceptually anyway.  And one hose on a DV
>  that looks like a full size hose .........part of the 'octopus hose' on top
>  of a DV engine layout ............it's not a full size hose 'really'
>  .........it just looks like it on the outside. On the inside it's got just a
>  small air bleed hole back to the expansion bottle - point is, need to be
>  careful on engine plumbing........the DV layout does work just super fine.
>
>  And always try to do what the factory did, unless you *really* know what you
>  are doing and have a good reason to depart from what they did.   Seems that
>  this is not very obvious to so many converters..........but it's sure
>  obvious as hell to me.  They already did all the development and testing, an
>  spent millions maybe doing that .............we should take advantage of all
>  that work they did, and stick with what they came up with unless we have an
>  extremely good reason to change something.
>  I've never actually done a 15 degree inline 4 install.
>  I'd like to sometime.  So nice to just leave the oil pan and oil pick up
>  alone , etc.
>
> Scott
>  www.turbovans.com
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: neil N [mailto:musomuso@gmail.com]
>  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:26 PM
>  To: Scott Daniel - Shazam
>  Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>  Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>
>  Thanks Scott
>
>  Doing a 15 degree mount with a KEP kit.
>
>  I've got the Jetta/Golf and Vanagon Bentley's, so I'm sure I can
>  figure out the coolant plumbing path etc.
>
>  I just wanted to confirm stock position of the stock pipes (which goes
>  on the left and which one on the right). I don't want to have to
>  switch them back...... after installing my brand new gas tank! --- ;^)
>
>  Having said as much, I guess it likely doesn't matter, in my case, if
>  the LH pipe was in the RH side position and vice versa, as I'll be
>  making the engine bay plumbing fit the engine position. And I can't
>  imagine the next owner (if there ever is one) wanting to put back a
>  stock WBX! --- ;^)
>
>  Neil.
>
>  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
>  <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>  > The hoses are real easy at the front of the van.   Seems like 'most' 83
>  and
>  >  later hoses fit just fine.  The 'oddball' is the 82 diesel and even those
>  >  hoses are close to what you need.
>  >     Are you doing a 50 degree install, like a diesel vanagon ? ........or
>  >  more upright ?
>  >  With the right DV stuff you have a bolt-in.
>  >  Be careful with coolant routing on the engine...........there's a little
>  >  difference between connections between a inline 4 in a jetta  and how
>  it's
>  >  done diesel vanagon style.
>  >   I just copy the diesel vanagon layout for hoses and connections on the
>  >  engine and it works perfectly.
>  >   One time I tried making the heater return go to a main coolant return
>  >  .........did not work.  Due to how the oil cooler connections and flow
>  work,
>  >  it has to be exactly as shown for diesel vanagon- that does work.
>  >  Scott
>  >  www.turbovans.com
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>  Of
>  >  neil N
>  >
>  > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:10 PM
>  >  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>  >
>  >
>  > Subject: Re: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>  >
>  >  I'll make sure I have the coolant flow correct. Especially since I'm
>  >  pretty sure I'll be custom fitting hoses to connect with the long
>  >  pipes.
>  >
>  >  Thanks!
>  >
>  >  Neil.
>  >
>  >  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
>  >  <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>  >  > The only really important thing about the pipes is that you have the
>  >  coolant
>  >  >  going through the radiator the correct direction.
>  >  >  What engine are you putting in again ?  I forgot.
>  >  >  Scott
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  >  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>  Behalf
>  >  Of
>  >  >  neil N
>  >  >  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:07 PM
>  >  >  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>  >  >  Subject: Is this coolant pipe position correct? (Pic included)
>  >  >
>  >  >  Hey guys.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Pic looking at front end of coolant pipes roughed in for my engine
>  >  >  conversion:
>  >  >
>  >  >  http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/coolantpipeorientation
>  >  >
>  >  >  Are they in the correct position?
>  >  >
>  >  >  Pretty sure they are. Searched but did not find pics. Bentley shows
>  >  >  the position to some degree. (ends shown at rad) Just making sure
>  >  >  before I put in the new gas tank.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Next time I'll take more pics of donor parts *before* removing them!
>  ---
>  >  >  ;^)
>  >  >
>  >  >  Muchos thankos,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Neil.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  --
>  >  >  Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
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