'getting the hydrogen, that is 'the problem.'

I didn't read the thread, but if someone thinks they can just take voltage
from the alternator and break H20 into H2 and O an run the engine off H2 -
well, if that would work they would have done that decades ago.

And..since the Fuel Cell is THE HOPE, as it produces electricity and water,
and no other emissions......all we need is the hydrogen.

I believe the few hydrogen refueling stations there are  ( and there are a
few ) get their hydrogen from natural gas.

 It may be abundant, but I think getting lots of pure H is not easy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Grebneff
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:09 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Water Powered Cars

>Yeah.

>

>H2O + Energy = H2 + O

>H2 + O = H2O + Energy

>

>So what is gained?

>

>I can't see this as workable.

>

>It will produce hydrogen, if you have a need for it.

>

>I do have a friend who uses a hydrogen generator to produce hydrogen

>for his oxy/hydrogen torch. It requires distilled water, potassium

>hydroxide, and a pretty stout electrical transformer to produce a

>steady stream of hydrogen for the torch. So what was shown in the

>film does in fact work, but not for the vehicles. Making the

>hydrogen is complicated.

It takes a lot of energy to split water into hydroger & oxygen. Far

more than you can get out of the hydrogen produced. No-win.

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Andrew Grebneff

Dunedin

New Zealand

Fossil preparator

Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut

, Opinions stated are mine, not those of Otago University

"There is water at the bottom of the ocean"  - Talking Heads

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Grebneff
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:09 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Water Powered Cars

>Yeah.
>
>H2O + Energy = H2 + O
>H2 + O = H2O + Energy
>
>So what is gained?
>
>I can't see this as workable.
>
>It will produce hydrogen, if you have a need for it.
>
>I do have a friend who uses a hydrogen generator to produce hydrogen
>for his oxy/hydrogen torch. It requires distilled water, potassium
>hydroxide, and a pretty stout electrical transformer to produce a
>steady stream of hydrogen for the torch. So what was shown in the
>film does in fact work, but not for the vehicles. Making the
>hydrogen is complicated.

It takes a lot of energy to split water into hydroger & oxygen. Far
more than you can get out of the hydrogen produced. No-win.
--
Andrew Grebneff
Dunedin
New Zealand
Fossil preparator
Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
, Opinions stated are mine, not those of Otago University
"There is water at the bottom of the ocean"  - Talking Heads

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