>  Jig the whole think up in place��.and make the mounts 'flat' not tilted.  (
> I'm a little disappointed in you ! )

No need to be disappointed in me!

:^)

I think the pics I posted are somewhat misleading. Except for the one I rotated.

The brackets and mounts are from a VW Fox. The are mounted to a Jetta
2.0 engine which is mounted to the transaxle at 15 degrees.

Obviously the bracket dictates the angle. I can't change that.

Interesting point about rotating the mount a 1/4 turn.

Neil.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Scott Daniel - Shazam
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's not how I'd do it at all.
>
> For the first thing ��..if you are going to load it at a weird angle � make
> it so the thrust is against the metal sides, not the open rubber ends � so
> rotate the mount a quarter turn.
>
>
>
> But I wouldn't perch the mount on top of the bar like that, not if I could
> help it.
>
> I'd weld a bracket to the side of the bar so the mount can fit flat.
>
> Perhaps you haven't seen all kinds of cars and Subaru engine coversion
> 'under-engine' cross bars- but the mounts never perch precariously on top of
> the bar like that.
>
>  They always and only go on a bracket welded to the side of the bar.
>
>
>
> Go buy some angle iron, about 3 X 3 incles���and at least 6 inches of
> length.  Then make two 3 inch long 3X 3 inch brackets'
>
>  Jig the whole think up in place��.and make the mounts 'flat' not tilted.  (
> I'm a little disappointed in you ! )
>
> Clamp angle iron brackets to the side of the bar where they belong, weld
> them there.
>
> You'll have to change the fore-aft location of your bar to do this ���but it
> will be worth it in the end.
>
> Scott
>
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> neil N
>  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:24 PM
>
>  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>  Subject: Re: Should engine mount move this much? (PIC)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No need to go crazy --- :^)
>
>
>
> Here's the pic oriented (rotated) properly:
>
>
>
> http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/Onthelevel.jpg/Onthelevel-full;init:.jpg
>
>
>
> the words "Level ground" give a reference point of the "horizon".
>
>
>
> I took the picture on an angle.
>
>
>
> The angles where the arms of carrier meet plates is ok.
>
>
>
> I did almost exactly what you did.
>
>
>
> I built my plates/angle iron, clamped them in place (should have
>
> drilled and mounted with bolts) held up a piece of wood to mock up the
>
> carrier arm, cut, held up, cut etc. and figured out the angle on each
>
> side of vehicle where arm meets the plate/angle iron. Of course the
>
> other end was held up to bottom of the mounts. After getting each
>
> angle, tacked arms on plates, marked where the mount bolts go through,
>
> drilled etc., then added bar at bottom
>
>
>
> Here's what I think I did wrong.
>
>
>
> I had the engine suspended, and when I held the arm/plate/angle iron
>
> piece to the mount, I used the BOTTOM of the threads on mount as a
>
> reference for the mount bolt hole. Of course when the engine actually
>
> gets lowered, the bolt holes don't really line up. Hence the strain on
>
> the mount.
>
>
>
> The fact that when I checked the level of the engine, and found it to
>
> be lower on the PS, was a clue, I just couldn't see where I went
>
> wrong.
>
>
>
> How I corrected it.
>
>
>
> put carrier on with only DS mount installed, used a bottle jack to
>
> bring PS of engine up to get things level, measured level at tranny,
>
> (many, many times!) measured how large the gap was between PS bracket
>
> and carrier arm, (too large by 5/8") made up a piece of wood to go in
>
> place of PS mount, lowered the engine and checked level again. I added
>
> a piece of 2" box that is 5/8" tall.
>
>
>
> Or something like that --- :^)
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure it's right now.
>
>
>
> I hope!
>
>
>
> Neil.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Neil, the cross bar is angled wrong.
>
> >  That's strange, because your mock-up pictures looked really good.
>
> >
>
> >  What I did:
>
> >  Suspend the motor (attached to the transmission) in the proper position.
>
> >  Attach the Fox brackets and rubber mounts.
>
> >  With everything hanging in the air you can get a good feel on how to
>
> >  position the bars.
>
> >
>
> >  I started at the Van body, fabbed the mounting plates, then estimated the
>
> >  angle to cut the cross bars.
>
> >  Made the cut, held the piece up against the hanging motor mount, made
>
> >  corrections, etc..
>
> >
>
> >  What you have will probably work, but it would drive me crazy knowing it
> was
>
> >  that far off.
>
> >
>
> >  I would re-do it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >  -----Original Message-----
>
> >  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
>
> >  neil N
>
> >  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:04 PM
>
> >  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
> >
>
> > Subject: Should engine mount move this much? (PIC)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi all.
>
> >
>
> >  What would a day be like without me asking these "one of a kind"
>
> >  questions? --- ;^)
>
> >
>
> >  Should the top half of this Fox engine mount shift this much under
>
> >  weight of engine?
>
> >
>
> >  http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/tempfoxmountpics
>
> >
>
> >  This is on my 15 degree Jetta engine install.
>
> >
>
> >  I think I measured the position of the mounts incorrectly. I "leveled"
>
> >  the engine, then made marks for mount bolts onto carrier. When engine
>
> >  supported by carrier, the mount looks like it's shifting and engine is
>
> >  no longer "level".
>
> >
>
> >  I'm mentally challenged right now so opinions regarding mount shift
>
> >  shown in the pics, would help right now.
>
> >
>
> >  Seems to me that if positioned correctly on the carrier, then when
>
> >  weight of engine is on them, it should compress the mounts toward the
>
> >  carrier, but not shift like that.
>
> >
>
> >  Loosing my mind.... ;^)
>
> >
>
> >  Neil.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >  --
>
> >  Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia - "Jaco"
>
> >
>
> >  http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
>
> >  http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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