After 8+ months of fthe list its good to see some things never change.
Keep up the good work Benoit!

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Benny boy <huotb@videotron.ca> wrote:

> Mmm... I have a lot to say about that, but i won't say too much.
>
> Nobody here can judge the GoWesty price, you didn't work on those van.
> Even i I agree that it seem extrem at first to sell a van 90K! But it seem
> that they have customers and good for them... so who care if they are
> expensive! That is NOT your business/problem! Since i started my shop, i
> went that way, restoration.... and i know better today about time
> invested.
>
> It's a free country, you can sell anything for the price you want. People
> pay way more crazy price for stupid thing so please!!! I sometime feel
> there
> is a lot of jealous peoples on this list!
>
> Another thing, this list is here to help mostly folks that want to try
> working themself on their vans... and i guess, some that are... let's
> say...
> more on a budjet, and that is more than fine, but don't judge the one that
> HAVE money and wan to keep their van for ever!
>
> Now, just go buy or find a similar van on the market... well, there is
> none!
> So there is NO �quivalent that mean you can't compare prices!!!!!!!!!!
>
> My van cost me 1500, i havested 20+K on it, cost price, so let say
> retail-27-30k in part + 300 hours of labor at 45$ per hour, let say 14K.
> So,
> we are at around 36-38K + gadget, that seem a fair price for a fully
> restored 2WD Vanagon. In my case, i have the pictures to proove it, and
> that
> is a big difference. Still, i buy A LOT from GoWesty and i respect them a
> lot for being there!!!!!
> http://www.benplace.com/85westy2.htm
>
> Now, i'm finishing this one this week:
> http://www.benplace.com/fabian.htm
>
> Total cost should be around 24,000$ (paint job / body work, int�rior fully
> restored, new 2007 Subaru 2.5L conversion with 1000miles on it) + the
> price
> of the value of that van before restoration, let say 6 to 8K. So that van
> as
> a value of around 30K. It's not even a full camper... so that guy must be
> crazy??? Sure....
>
> Now, my next big project is a US van from Colorado... yea, i'm in
> Montreal!
> This guy is a member here so be carefull! It's an 87 Syncro. We (Hans from
> Vanaru and me) have kind of stolen that project from GoWesty... but i
> won't
> say more. This van is in great condition, very nice van to restored, our
> goal and the customer goal is to give this van a new life and that for the
> next 20 years. So it's a big project. Int�rior is in perfect shape, just
> need a very deep cleaning
>
> -SVX 6cyl Engine
> -New upgraded Transmission and axles
> -New/rebuilt Syncro system with added diff lock
> -New everything underneat (Suspension, steering, big brake....)
> -New paint job with lower black stripe
> -Underneat coating
> and a lot more stuff.
>
> You will all be able to folllow that project day by day at this webpage:
> http://www.benplace.com/87_syncro1.htm
>
> I will see if i say one day the total restoration price.... not sure yet
> and
> anyway.... who frigging care! it's NOT your van or money!
>
> So if a guy love his van and he want to keep it for ever... well, if he
> feel
> like investing a lot on it... GOOD FOR HIM!!!! (and for me... he he he).
>
> All my life i sold... pleasure! Before, part time i had hobby shop, i was
> selling 4000$ RC helicopter to weekend spending folks who had no idea how
> to
> fly those... i had warned them of the difculty, they didn't care... next
> monday, they had crash that helicopter behond repair.
>
> That is crazy investment!
>
> So please... have better aguments!
>
> Ho, a last thing, i dare anyone here to come work with me for 10 days in a
> row, 10 to 12 hours per day... working in the dust, grease... cuting,
> burning, bruising and banging yourself all the time. You may now
> understand
> the time, energy invested by folk who restore car/vans.
>
> Shit, i have to charge more...
>
> Ben ( i still have some corruptor blood... for the old timer here)
> http://www.benplace.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:02:21 -0400, BJ Feddish <bfeddish@NETREACH.NET>
> wrote:
>
> >I like ordering misc nick nacks from GoWesty that I cannot find somewhere
> >else. Besides, they have it in my mailbox 2 days later and I'm on the
> other
> >side of the country.  Today, for humorous purposes, I clicked on the
> >Vehicles for Sale.  If I remember back a few years they used to sell
> these
> >"restored" vans for "$22-25K" and we were all up in arms about their
> prices.
> >Today I took a peak at http://www.gowesty.com/vehicles_for_sale.php and
> >almost fell out of my chair.  An '85 for $29K, an '86 non-Syncro for
> >$53,831.53????? An '87 for $63K?????  Is this for real?  I mean really,
> who
> >has that kind of money to throw around? Geez, and we were bitchin when
> they
> >were charging $25K.  Here's the real kicker, if you read their ad they
> say
> >"Yeah we picked up this baby for $500 and with our markup you pay only
> $600
> >but we can't sell it to you for that, it would not be your best
> interest."
> >What?, it's in my best interest that they tack on $30K more for a motor,
> >paint and detailing?  Geez. Who are these idiots selling their vans to
> >GoWesty for a  couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars?  Every van
> they
> >buy is usually WAY below what I could find the same van on eBay, the
> Samba,
> >etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >Geez, I just noticed the 1990 Syncro Westy for $90K.  Some people have
> too
> >much damn money out there in CA.
> >
> >
> >
> >Sorry, just needed to vent.
> >
> >
> >
> >Now back to your regularly scheduled list programming.
> >
> >
> >Bryan
>

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