

| Subject: | Re: Deep cycle batteries, voltage regulators, and eating cake |
| From: | Michael Diehr |
| Date: | Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:13:08 -0700 |
Looking at Bentley again, it does claim that these #s are mm diameter, or AWG (page 97.4 "How to read wiring diagram"). Unless the chart on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge is wrong, there's no way that these match up -- 2.5 and 6 are clearly not AWG. The "2.5" is about right if it's mm diameter: that would be just a hair under 10 gauge. However the "6.0" would then be between a 2 and 3 gauge which is clearly not true. Very odd -- is this a Bentley error, or a manufactureing one, e.g. the specs called for a "6.0" wire but something smaller was actually built? (page 97.62) On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:47 AM, Sean B. wrote: > Michael, > > IIRC the 2.5 and 6.0 are supposed to represent millimeters. However, > that measurement does not include the insulation. I'll have to check > my wiring diagrams to see how the power is distributed, but that > does sound like something VW would do. > > Michael Diehr wrote: >> [responding to a very old thread] >> I was having voltage problems in my 85 westy -- freeway driving with >> AC and headlights on was causing battery to drain, not charge -- >> replaced the alternator but that really didn't fix it. >> Finally took the advice and checked out the power wires from the >> alternator -- sure enough, inside the wiring box they were totally >> cooked. Investigated some more, and realize just how crazy the >> german engineering was. Instead of putting in a single beefy wire >> from the alternator to the starter, they put in two(!) on a single >> crimp, then run these from the alternator in a spaghetti like path >> all >> the way to the left side where they meet another wire, which then >> reverses the course and ends up at the alternator. >> Bently lists the 2 from the alternator as "2.5" which junction with >> the one returning to the starter which is listed as "6.0". If I'm >> reading the diagram correctly, the entire electrical system passes >> through this junction to the rest of the van. I don't know what >> 2.5 >> and 6.0 represent -- doesn't seem to be mm, mm squared, gague, or >> amps. >> In any case, I'm replacing the two 2.5s with an 8 gauge and soldering >> the connections, which should help a bit. >> Anyone know if the existing "6.0" wire from the junction to the >> starter is indeed what feeds the entire system? Eyeballing it it >> looks like about an 8 gauge as well. >> I would also echo mark's recommendation that 85 and earlier owners >> check the junction box -- it just takes a minute, no tools required. >> On Aug 6, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Mark Drillock wrote: >>> If I were you I would first examine very closely the 2 red power >>> wires >>> from the alternator and also follow them to their other ends. I have >>> seen more of these cooked than you would think. They are often >>> cooked at >>> the ends hidden inside the engine compartment wiring box. VW >>> increased >>> the current capacity of this circuit by 250% in later years and that >>> is >>> what I would do on yours. Run a new 8 gauge wire from the alternator >>> to >>> the starter motor, using soldered on wire ends made for 8 gauge wire >>> and >>> 5/16 bolt hole. This will likely cure most of your problem but if >>> you >>> measure the voltages at the starter motor lug first you will know >>> how >>> much of the drop is there. Test unloaded and loaded, as before. >>> [...] >>> Mark > > -- > Sean B. > '90 V'gon 2.0 ABA (under construction) > '82 airsucker V'gon, "The Rat's Nest" > '87 8v GTI, '91 Jetta > http://www.vgonman.com >
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