Alright, guys, I was being argumentative.  Forgive me.  I'm not being
sarcastic either.  I need to figure out how to "share information" without
being such an a$$hole.

Chris.

2008/7/31 Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>

> yuck yuck.
> roll rates and roll centers are different than stability, or lack thereof,
> related to tires, wheels etc.
> But don't believe me, OK ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: 15" tire pressures?
>
>
>  Sure it is Scott - understeer is understeer, whether via a thicker rear
>> bar,
>> harder rear tires or dual rear wheels.
>>
>> All of those things make the rear resist directional change.
>>
>> Yuck
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>
>>  hi,
>>> not interested in a big ole hairy debatge Chris,
>>> but do want to say one thing relative to your comments.
>>>
>>> rear staibility ( the oppostite of oversteer ) in a vehicle achieved
>>> through
>>> rear rim width, tire width, tire sidewall stiffness,
>>> and tire pressure.....
>>> is not at all the same as adding a rear antisway bar, or a stiffer rear
>>> anti-sway bar.
>>> scott
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris S" <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: 15" tire pressures?
>>>
>>>
>>>  That's interesting.  I've put 50psi in front and rear of my Westy and
>>> felt
>>>
>>>> that handling with anything less up front killed steering feel,
>>>> increased
>>>> understeer and increased stress on front tires.  It improved handling
>>>> too.
>>>> My tires have always worn evenly as well.
>>>>
>>>> I also use proper 8-ply tires.
>>>>
>>>> 2008/7/30 Mike Collum <collum@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>>  Chris S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  If the stock Vanagon has a 52/48 F/R weight distribution why do you
>>>>> run
>>>>>
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> much pressure in the rear compared to the front?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'd say it's because VW figured out that Vanagons handle (steer) much
>>>>> more
>>>>> reliably that way ... regardless of the weight distribution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I always run mine with about 10 lbs more in the rears than in the
>>>>> fronts.
>>>>>  I'm using properly rated tires, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris S.
>>>> "Beware the Subie Vultures"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>> 1984 Vanagon GL
>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>
>

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Chris S.
"Beware the Subie Vultures"