At 02:59 PM 8/20/2008, Courtney Hook wrote...
>I would have to agree to disagree on the term cheap chinese, mixed
>with
>crap.

Feel free to disagree with facts all you want. Granted, China does make
some good stuff, but 90% of what Harbor Freight has is crap. It might
be good for a "one off" job, but there is no comparison with well made
tools. It is sold on price, and for some people, and some purposes,
cheap crap makes more sense than more expensive quality products.

China is in the position Japan was, post WWII. At the time, "Japanese"
brought visions of cheap tin toys. That changed during the '60's, with
transistor radios and motorcycles. China will get better, too. But for
now, there's more CCC than good stuff.

>  To say the products from China are crap, is a blanket statement.

The discussion was in regard to Harbor Freight presses, which are CCC.