Mike Elliott wrote:
> Now that we've moved to Bend, Oregon, we are looking ahead to when, not
> many months from now, we will need to give our cars new shoes.

Hi Mike

In northern Maine, where last winter snow in the "Flat" part of my yard
and driveway was up to the windows on my Vanagons, I use Nokian
Hakkapeliittas and have never had a problem.  Mine aren't studded, by
the way.  I've been using them for 6 years now.

On one I have 185 14 C2 and on the other I have 185 14 CQ.  The
difference is that the C2s came with holes so that studs could be added
whereas the CQs did not.

Mike