Robert,

You seem to have a good point.  If someone has a reason why the 'parallel'
structure would not work (not excuses why they would rather keep it as is,
which serve a supposed minority or at least an eventual minority) I'd really
like to hear it.

I can hear the 'this isn't a democracy' responses already.

IMO, this decision would best/most wisely be left to three or five geeks to
decide (assuming the transparency would exist both visually and
functionally).  It matters not that this isn't a democracy or someone owns a
piece here or manages a part there.  What matters is the long term
survivability of a 'good' thing, correct?

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com> wrote:

> As I said in the previous thread on this, if the system was upgraded I
> would
> personally still use the email form of it. I'm more concerned with the
> state
> of the infrastructure, and moving it to, or at least tying it to a more
> modern platform would provide a lot of benefits on the nuts-and-bolts-end
> (a
> usable archive, greater stability, control for the moderator), plus it
> would
> give options for users, which would be helpful when travelling, for
> instance.
> If it was properly set up in the parallel form, the bulletin board side of
> it would be transparent to those that chose to use email and vice-versa.
>
> Cya,
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:28 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of
> this
> list?
>
> If the list isn't working out for you there are other more modern
> formats and if they are not right then make your own. It comes down
> to the question, 'if you really feel the format needs to be changed
> then why not just do it?'
>
> I'm not being a wiseass, I just like it the way it is, if I didn't
> I'd be at a Samba forum. I am having trouble understanding why people
> are dealing with the e-mail format when they don't like it and there
> are other options.
>
>
> Rob
> becida@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> At  8/26/2008 07:41 AM,Neil2 wrote:
> >I use it as Miguel does but I agree, it needs to change, pronto.  If a
> >solution to please the 'plankowners' and the newbies can be implemented
> it's
> >the only wise thing to do before we lose what we have to
> >accident/obsolescence.
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > We just went over this. The categories idea wouldn't work for various
> > > reasons, but the list could be put on a BB with parallel email
> > functionality
> > > which imho would be the best of both worlds. However, the guy that
> could
> do
> > > it doesn't have possession of the server (which isn't actually a show
> > > stopper as I understand it) and the grumpy old fart contingent has been
> > > vocal in their opposition (not that it would affect them in any
> practical
> > > sense); added to that, I've yet to see much come from any grand ideas
> put
> > > forth on the list, the Wiki being a minor exception and that mostly due
> to
> > > the dogged persistence of Mr. Squirrel. Additionally, I think the lack
> of
> > > options coupled with the volume of posts is a turn-off to potential
> members
> > > who by now are used to a more modern internet experience, and what
> doesn't
> > > grow, dies.
> > >
> > > My greatest concern about the current state versus the state of the art
> is
> > > that the server is physically in the hands of an inattentive
> > host, to put it
> > > kindly, and the software is ancient in computer terms; I'm afraid
> > this means
> > > that at some point modernization will be forced on us due to some
> future
> > > major failing of the system that will be beyond our means to
> > easily solve. I
> > > think there's a fair chance that the list will die or at least be
> severely
> > > crippled if that happens, probably due to a prolonged shutdown, among
> other
> > > things.
> > >
> > > I really think we should address this before we get to that point.
> > >
> > > Cya,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf
> Of
> > > miguel pacheco
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list?
> > >
> > > I ain't grumpy and welcome change, but I sure like it the way it is. I
> > > have mine going to my Gmail and rarely visit Vanagon.com............
> > >
> > > Gracias,
> > >                    Miguel
> > >
>

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