let's say the other side of frustration is patient determination.
I consider frustration a form of anger.
as much as possible, I don't do anger.

great diagnostic  technicians are clever, creative, and endlessly patient,
and determined to get it, no matter what it takes.
And sometimes it takes a lot.

On either end it's only frustrating if you let it be that way.
We could just as easily consider it fascinating and interesting.
and hey, they're old..........they do this once in a while !

it is purely and simply a 'blockage or leakage of electrons or fluids."
just gotta find 'em.
that last mark discussion about the injectors and 02 was very good.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lincoln" <magikvw@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: The dreaded "Vanagon Syndrome" - or is it? Formerly: Question about
temp II sensor and bad running

>I have to agree with Mark - we do go through this a few times a year. I
>read
> these topics closely because I had some of the same issues after
> reinstalling the engine in Grover.
>
> Ran poorly after 30 seconds or so, rich running, no power, stumbling,
> backfiring.
>
> What fixed it for me was changing the Temp2 sensor. I haven't had a
> problem
> since. Now am I saying that is the fix - nope I'm not - it's just what
> worked for me.
>
> I think the reason we go through this over and over is that no one
> "really"
> knows what causes it - partially because it's a elusive thing and
> partially
> because (in my opinion) there are many things that could cause it. Off the
> top of my head here are the usual suspects thrown out there:
>
> *O2
> *Temp 2
> *AFM
> *Hall Sensor
> *"Vanagon Syndrome" (also relates to AFM
> *Injectors
> *Grounds
>
> These could all be right individually - or a combination of many. It could
> also be that every bus that is stricken is stricken for a different
> reason. Who really knows? It's a frustrating issue to those who have to go
> through it. I also think it's frustrating to those trying to lend advice.
>
> I think this is one of those issues that will continue to plague or little
> community. Believe me I know next to nothing about how things really
> work -
> but it also seems those who do know their stuff can only guess at what the
> cause is.
>
> The point to all this? Well, I'm not even sure anymore. I am just happy
> that
> there is the knowledge of this list to try to help with this bugger of an
> issue. For those of you experiencing (or who will experience) this all you
> can really do is see the list above and ask the list what they would do.
>
> Best of luck :)
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
> '90 Carat (Grover)
> '86 (We call this one Parts)
> '78 Bus (Melissa) Patty's Bus