dear all friday
i didnt say i agree or disagree with the global warming theory --
i said there is very little science and a lot of hyperbole -
friday is almost over ... 2.5 hours left ,...
so lets go out on a laff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXTgfDJP3I
yours

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> well to the modern dysfunctional world Roger.
> Ayn Rand indeed !
>
> re global warming -
> I went to Stewart BC and Hyder Alaska in about 1989. Outside Hyder you can
> drive up mining roads and look down on the Salmon Glacier , which used to
> come down a huge valley, and split left and right below - the kind of view
> you normally only get from an aircraft or serious mountaineering in Alaska
> or the BC Coast Mountains and glaciated areas.  Just awesome. I still have
> pictures.
>  On the branch of the glacier going toward my right ..................there
> was a giant hanging glacier that flowed steeply down onto the huge glacier
> going to the right ..........with giant ''splash'  of piled up ice , seemed
> to be hundreds of feet high.
>  In about 1995 I went back there in my turbo diesel vanagon ..........
> the entire right side glacier was gone ............a few hundred feet thick
> of ice gone.  Just bare dirt, ugly bare dirt, remained.
> You can not tell me global warming isn't occurring.  It's obvious.
>  Read about the Portage Glacier south of Anchorage AK..........south of
> Girdwood ........it's a popular tourist spot.  I first went there on the
> Green Tortoise in 1980  The lake in front of the glacier front , and it was
> miles to the glacier too, was full of icebergs.  They are all melted  now.
>  There's endless documentation about warmer temps and faster rising temps
> than at any time ever before, and for those who think it might just be a
> regular cycle thing ............there has never been this many people
> burning this much stuff at any time, or anything near it, in the history of
> the planet that we know of.   It's really happening.
>
> always nice to read your notes !
> Scott
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" <
> rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: help me understand US emissions control strategy.(NVC)
>
>
>  dear friday ranters
>>
>> canadian speaking here - one who thinks there is very little science and a
>> lot of hyperbole in the global warming political movement - having stated
>> where part of my foot print is -
>>
>> and regarding the touted fuel efficiency of vehicles sold else where -
>> the else where being a place where driving might be limited to dates that
>> match your licence number - -
>> protectionist legislation never works over the long term - ..
>> and what may look like an aside is actually indicative of why things are s
>> out of control --
>> last month we sent a payment in the form of a bank draft from canada in
>> american dollars to a credit card company owned and operated by HSBC (the
>> h
>> stands for hong kong)
>> the instrument was returned to the issuing bank stamped as uncashable ???
>> with out certification ...??? due to the fact that HSBC lacks the
>> infrustructure to accept funds drawn on forgien banks ...
>> we call .. customer service located in south east asia tells us that the
>> instrument is not even recognized as having been processed ... we ask to
>> speak to supervisor ... get a guy who is in Ponoma California .. first
>> thing
>> he tells me is that the instrument is in canadian $$ i tell him that
>> clearly
>> stated in three different places is the fact that it is in american $$ --
>>  he
>> tells me to avoid future occurance i should send the item to -and he
>> starts
>> to give me an address -
>> as i write it down i notice the address is the same on at the top of the
>> returned item letter -
>> i say hey wait a minute you are telling me to send this back to where this
>> letter came from -
>> yes he says -... arrgggg -- then he tells me that a machine processed the
>> item and refused it last time -...
>> but if i send it to Pomona address a real person will open it -
>> i see says i ...
>> -- it is no wonder the banking system is coming apart at the seems -
>> all we need is one or two experainces like this where the guy on the
>> "service end " is tellign the customer that the error is made by the
>> customer --...
>> systems are designed to benifit the individual at the top of the pyramid
>> ...
>> never the individual -
>> read Anthem by Ayn Rand
>> message out
>> return to regualr earth broad cast
>> :)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I read on MSN's homepage news about Ford having built a 65mpg diesel
>>> Fiesta
>>> and currently selling it everywhere except the USA.  Their guy states
>>> that
>>> the US is so anti-diesel that they can't sell those fuel efficient
>>> vehicles
>>> here.  Yet I hear the US Gov. is considering a 'bail-out' to Ford Motor
>>> Company because they aren't selling the P.O.S. trucks and big vehicles
>>> they
>>> do market here in the US.
>>>  Can someone 'splain why it's more "green" to allow a 'regulatory
>>> exemption' to SUVs for fuel efficiency standards and a tax break to buy
>>> them
>>> and then 'over-regulate' diesel vehicles?  Yuh think a 10mpg Humvee or a
>>> 9
>>> liter Triton V-10 pickup is more "green" or less polluting than a diesel
>>> Fiesta getting 65-frikken miles per gallon?   How come our automakers can
>>> sell pickup trucks with the same motor you find in long haul tractor
>>> trailer
>>> trucks (Cummins, Navistar, Allison, etc.) so that Mrs. Rancher can drive
>>> down to Wal Mart for a Chinese plastic bucket, or Mr. Macho can run round
>>> the freeways all week looking cool in his 'trash can masher' (Wheels and
>>> tires so big he can straddle the yellow line and get the cans on both
>>> curbs)
>>> and yet we aren't allowed to convert our Vanagons to TD power in many
>>> states?
>>>
>>>  These 'allowed vehicles" use up six times as many barrels of oil burned
>>> up
>>> per mile traveled, and six times as much fossil fuel by-product is spewed
>>> into the atmosphere.  It's ok for the gas guzzler to be here, but not the
>>> little diesel car? (according to the  corporate whores who write our US
>>> vehicle emission standards).
>>>
>>>  70% of the ROW vehicles on the roads are diesel powered (because it's
>>> more
>>> fuel-efficient)...What's with these creeps making the rules here in the
>>> USA?
>>> They stupid?  They greedy?  They think we (the population) here have an
>>> unlimited supply of Vaseline and will just stay bent over, taking it for
>>> ever?
>>>  Rant over..Back to your regular political Palin-tology news now (for us
>>> here in the US.)
>>>  Don Hanson
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> roger w
>> There are two kinds of jobs in the world:
>> Picking up garbage and telling people things.
>> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw)
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