| Subject: | Re: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement |
| From: | Roger Whittaker |
| Date: | Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:18:10 -0700 |
deal wanting fronts piece just spoke about this over breakfast this morning -- with my marine friends it is a very easy process indeed - it will be a year before i am even close to setting up to do this - and in my mind i assume the rubber weather strip is same as the one around pop top will not know until completed yours On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > so glad to see your feelings on this Neil. > as fiberglass things go...........this would be a good one. > not too big, not too complicated or heavy etc. > Hey Roger........ > could you remove your front piece and ship it to me so we can reproduce it > !? > just playing ! But we 'should.' Think of all the gas scores of them in > use could save ! > Scott > turbovans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil2" <vidublu@GMAIL.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:32 AM > Subject: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement > > > Roger, >> >> I'm glad it's on your To Do list and when it moves to #1, would gladly >> assist ($$$) if you would recip. >> >> Three of us listees have met and are discussing VW fiber parts and how >> they >> may be made/sold. >> >> When I first learned/saw of one of these on a van in Cuba, I placed it on >> me >> own To Do list. >> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Roger Whittaker >> <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> dear all >>> yes scott is correct ... presently though i am not set up for any sort of >>> fiberglass repair or production ... >>> indeed today moving -- >>> then moving again in three weeks to another place once it is ready - >>> that will be an apartment and fiberglass repairs are frowned upon with in >>> the building >>> likely sometime in the coming year we will get more settled and be in a >>> place that allows us to do other stuff >>> >>> it is on the list of stuff to do ... >>> yours >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < >>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: >>> >>> > we really should use your front aero westy roof rack replacement piece >>> > to >>> > make a mold, >>> > then make fiberglass reproductions of what you have there Roger. >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" < >>> > rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> >>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:31 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Aerodynamics and the Westie luggage rack, etc.. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > dear fronts piece wanters >>> >> >>> >> you guys all laugh at my millage #'s and say they are untrue ... >>> >> oh well what ever -- >>> >> i know the 1.6 TD achieved 35-38 miles to the gallon and >>> >> i have yet to take a significantly long journey with the new 1.9 TD >>> >> that >>> >> replaced that tired little motor >>> >> and i know you also laugh at my speed claims ... >>> >> yet i just re-listened to the voice diary and in one point of the >>> >> trip >>> i >>> >> had forgotten to shut off the digital recorder >>> >> it captured a conversation between wife and i regarding keeping speed >>> >> at >>> >> or >>> >> around 75 MPH >>> >> so i would not get a ticket -- >>> >> several times on very long stretches of # 10 East bound >>> >> i had to tune it down a little as i creeping into the 90MPH zone >>> >> >>> >> doubt-laugh- scorn - no worries >>> >> it was simply my experiance ... >>> >> with that nifty fronts piece in place on our >>> >> 1989 5 Speed California Turbo Diesel >>> >> yours >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Andrew Grebneff < >>> goose1047@gmail.com >>> >> >wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I did some low budget research about aerodynamics, read up on all >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > sources I could find, etc. So I know a little, but I certainly >>> >>> > can't >>> >>> spout >>> >>> > data or numbers, just general principals. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aerodynamics really only come into play at above 110kmh (~70mph).The >>> >>> vehicle may not feel as though it's run into a wall above that speed, >>> >>> but your fuel bill will suggest otherwise, almost no matter what >>> >>> vehicle (figure that phrase out if you can). >>> >>> >>> >>> That's probably why the top speed of a 25hp (the so-called "36hp" >>> >>> engine) Split will top out at 110kmh, empty ot with a tonne of cargo. >>> >>> >>> >>> Modern vans still have external gutters, but that's because they have >>> >>> a large roof area and concealed gutters couldn't cope with decent >>> >>> rain... and of course it would be expensive (anda rust trap) to put >>> >>> concealed full-length gutters into one. >>> >>> >>> >>> The rear of a vehicle is important in drag calculations. A vehicle >>> >>> with a sloping back roof and tail (eg a real Beetle) will have a poor >>> >>> drag coefficient, because there is no separation of airflow over the >>> >>> vehicle from the air behind it, causing a relarive low-pressure area >>> >>> behind the entire rear surface of the vehicle, from roof high-point >>> >>> to >>> >>> bumper. That's why the more aerodynamic cars have a sharp lip on the >>> >>> back of the trunk edge, and probably why T3s have a very good CD (and >>> >>> a T2 has a better CD than an E-Type Jaguar)... >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course, for a given shape, the larger the frontal area, the more >>> >>> overall drag there will be, as you are trying to push a larger >>> >>> surface >>> >>> through the air (which is a fluid). Take a T3 and double its size in >>> >>> all dmensions and you'd be increasing the drag 4 times. So take this >>> >>> into account if you're widening your bus by 20cm and want to retain >>> >>> what we laughingly call its fuel-economy. >>> >>> >>> >>> ... the rear lip causes separation of the airflow over the car from >>> >>> the turbulent air trail behind, reducing overall drag. It probably >>> >>> also creates a little downforce at the rear, but it wouldn't be >>> >>> significant. >>> >>> >>> >>> Putting an airdam on the front, IF the dam is windtunnel-tested... >>> >>> and >>> >>> believe me, most are NOT), can decrease drag by reducing the amount >>> >>> of >>> >>> air going under the car (which also, by being compressed as it >>> >>> paasses >>> >>> under the car, which is acting as one side of a venturi, produces >>> >>> lift, which is most noticable at the front). However the airdam >>> >>> itself >>> >>> adds frontal area, which increases drag... so a properly-designed >>> >>> airdam is a compromise. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rear spoilers are supposed to work by forcing air upward as it passes >>> >>> over the tail, which results in downpressure on the car's tail. That >>> >>> is the ideal... again, as with airdams, most "spoilers" are just >>> >>> eyecandy and have only one effect... increased drag. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sideskirts are only functional on cars utilizing radical >>> >>> "ground-effect" for downforce eg the banned Formula 1 cars. >>> >>> On a road car there is nothing to suck air out from under the car, so >>> >>> skirts have nothing but esthetic function... and are one more thing >>> >>> to >>> >>> have to repair (as well as being rust-traps, as are most plastic >>> >>> addons eg spoilers). >>> >>> >>> >>> Just as well that parentheses don't cause rust, or this mess >>> >>> >>> >>> age >>> >>> >>> >>> would be fall in g t o >>> >>> >>> >>> pi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> e >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> c >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> e >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> s >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Andrew Grebneff >>> >>> Dunedin, New Zealand >>> >>> Fossil preparator >>> >>> Mollusc, Toyota & VW van nut >>> >>> Temporarily in Calgary, AB, Canada >>> >>> <goose1047@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> roger w >>> >> There are two kinds of jobs in the world: >>> >> Picking up garbage and telling people things. >>> >> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >>> >> View the growing list of video work at: >>> >> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >>> >> and ... older work at >>> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 >>> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364 >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> roger w >>> There are two kinds of jobs in the world: >>> Picking up garbage and telling people things. >>> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >>> View the growing list of video work at: >>> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >>> and ... older work at >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Neil2 >> '82 Diesel Westfalia (Fwd Puke Qualified) >> '86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (Savannah) >> Nunquam Pendite Divendium >> > -- roger w There are two kinds of jobs in the world: Picking up garbage and telling people things. Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. 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