| Subject: | Re: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement |
| From: | Scott Daniel - Turbovans |
| Date: | Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:30:59 -0700 |
lots of types of weather strips would work - a very generic part, that clips to the edge of something,. in case the stock one is too short or otherwise unuseable. But that's a long time to wait Roger. will we even be getting gas and diesel fuel and driving around in a year ? I sure hope so ..............but one might wonder at times. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement > deal wanting fronts piece > just spoke about this over breakfast this morning -- > with my marine friends > it is a very easy process indeed - > it will be a year before i am even close to setting up to do this - > and in my mind i assume the rubber weather strip is same as the one around > pop top > will not know until completed > yours > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >> so glad to see your feelings on this Neil. >> as fiberglass things go...........this would be a good one. >> not too big, not too complicated or heavy etc. >> Hey Roger........ >> could you remove your front piece and ship it to me so we can reproduce >> it >> !? >> just playing ! But we 'should.' Think of all the gas scores of them >> in >> use could save ! >> Scott >> turbovans >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil2" <vidublu@GMAIL.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:32 AM >> Subject: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement >> >> >> Roger, >>> >>> I'm glad it's on your To Do list and when it moves to #1, would gladly >>> assist ($$$) if you would recip. >>> >>> Three of us listees have met and are discussing VW fiber parts and how >>> they >>> may be made/sold. >>> >>> When I first learned/saw of one of these on a van in Cuba, I placed it >>> on >>> me >>> own To Do list. >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Roger Whittaker >>> <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>> dear all >>>> yes scott is correct ... presently though i am not set up for any sort >>>> of >>>> fiberglass repair or production ... >>>> indeed today moving -- >>>> then moving again in three weeks to another place once it is ready - >>>> that will be an apartment and fiberglass repairs are frowned upon with >>>> in >>>> the building >>>> likely sometime in the coming year we will get more settled and be in a >>>> place that allows us to do other stuff >>>> >>>> it is on the list of stuff to do ... >>>> yours >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < >>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > we really should use your front aero westy roof rack replacement >>>> > piece >>>> > to >>>> > make a mold, >>>> > then make fiberglass reproductions of what you have there Roger. >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" < >>>> > rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> >>>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>>> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:31 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: Aerodynamics and the Westie luggage rack, etc.. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > dear fronts piece wanters >>>> >> >>>> >> you guys all laugh at my millage #'s and say they are untrue ... >>>> >> oh well what ever -- >>>> >> i know the 1.6 TD achieved 35-38 miles to the gallon and >>>> >> i have yet to take a significantly long journey with the new 1.9 TD >>>> >> that >>>> >> replaced that tired little motor >>>> >> and i know you also laugh at my speed claims ... >>>> >> yet i just re-listened to the voice diary and in one point of the >>>> >> trip >>>> i >>>> >> had forgotten to shut off the digital recorder >>>> >> it captured a conversation between wife and i regarding keeping >>>> >> speed >>>> >> at >>>> >> or >>>> >> around 75 MPH >>>> >> so i would not get a ticket -- >>>> >> several times on very long stretches of # 10 East bound >>>> >> i had to tune it down a little as i creeping into the 90MPH zone >>>> >> >>>> >> doubt-laugh- scorn - no worries >>>> >> it was simply my experiance ... >>>> >> with that nifty fronts piece in place on our >>>> >> 1989 5 Speed California Turbo Diesel >>>> >> yours >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Andrew Grebneff < >>>> goose1047@gmail.com >>>> >> >wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> > I did some low budget research about aerodynamics, read up on all >>>> >>> > the >>>> >>> > sources I could find, etc. So I know a little, but I certainly >>>> >>> > can't >>>> >>> spout >>>> >>> > data or numbers, just general principals. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Aerodynamics really only come into play at above 110kmh >>>> >>> (~70mph).The >>>> >>> vehicle may not feel as though it's run into a wall above that >>>> >>> speed, >>>> >>> but your fuel bill will suggest otherwise, almost no matter what >>>> >>> vehicle (figure that phrase out if you can). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> That's probably why the top speed of a 25hp (the so-called "36hp" >>>> >>> engine) Split will top out at 110kmh, empty ot with a tonne of >>>> >>> cargo. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Modern vans still have external gutters, but that's because they >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> a large roof area and concealed gutters couldn't cope with decent >>>> >>> rain... and of course it would be expensive (anda rust trap) to >>>> >>> put >>>> >>> concealed full-length gutters into one. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The rear of a vehicle is important in drag calculations. A vehicle >>>> >>> with a sloping back roof and tail (eg a real Beetle) will have a >>>> >>> poor >>>> >>> drag coefficient, because there is no separation of airflow over >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> vehicle from the air behind it, causing a relarive low-pressure >>>> >>> area >>>> >>> behind the entire rear surface of the vehicle, from roof high-point >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> bumper. That's why the more aerodynamic cars have a sharp lip on >>>> >>> the >>>> >>> back of the trunk edge, and probably why T3s have a very good CD >>>> >>> (and >>>> >>> a T2 has a better CD than an E-Type Jaguar)... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Of course, for a given shape, the larger the frontal area, the more >>>> >>> overall drag there will be, as you are trying to push a larger >>>> >>> surface >>>> >>> through the air (which is a fluid). Take a T3 and double its size >>>> >>> in >>>> >>> all dmensions and you'd be increasing the drag 4 times. So take >>>> >>> this >>>> >>> into account if you're widening your bus by 20cm and want to retain >>>> >>> what we laughingly call its fuel-economy. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ... the rear lip causes separation of the airflow over the car from >>>> >>> the turbulent air trail behind, reducing overall drag. It probably >>>> >>> also creates a little downforce at the rear, but it wouldn't be >>>> >>> significant. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Putting an airdam on the front, IF the dam is windtunnel-tested... >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> believe me, most are NOT), can decrease drag by reducing the amount >>>> >>> of >>>> >>> air going under the car (which also, by being compressed as it >>>> >>> paasses >>>> >>> under the car, which is acting as one side of a venturi, produces >>>> >>> lift, which is most noticable at the front). However the airdam >>>> >>> itself >>>> >>> adds frontal area, which increases drag... so a properly-designed >>>> >>> airdam is a compromise. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Rear spoilers are supposed to work by forcing air upward as it >>>> >>> passes >>>> >>> over the tail, which results in downpressure on the car's tail. >>>> >>> That >>>> >>> is the ideal... again, as with airdams, most "spoilers" are just >>>> >>> eyecandy and have only one effect... increased drag. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Sideskirts are only functional on cars utilizing radical >>>> >>> "ground-effect" for downforce eg the banned Formula 1 cars. >>>> >>> On a road car there is nothing to suck air out from under the car, >>>> >>> so >>>> >>> skirts have nothing but esthetic function... and are one more thing >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> have to repair (as well as being rust-traps, as are most plastic >>>> >>> addons eg spoilers). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Just as well that parentheses don't cause rust, or this mess >>>> >>> >>>> >>> age >>>> >>> >>>> >>> would be fall in g t o >>>> >>> >>>> >>> pi >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> e >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> c >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> e >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> s >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> . >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> . >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> . >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Andrew Grebneff >>>> >>> Dunedin, New Zealand >>>> >>> Fossil preparator >>>> >>> Mollusc, Toyota & VW van nut >>>> >>> Temporarily in Calgary, AB, Canada >>>> >>> <goose1047@gmail.com> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> roger w >>>> >> There are two kinds of jobs in the world: >>>> >> Picking up garbage and telling people things. >>>> >> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >>>> >> View the growing list of video work at: >>>> >> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >>>> >> and ... older work at >>>> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 >>>> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364 >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> roger w >>>> There are two kinds of jobs in the world: >>>> Picking up garbage and telling people things. >>>> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >>>> View the growing list of video work at: >>>> http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners >>>> and ... older work at >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Neil2 >>> '82 Diesel Westfalia (Fwd Puke Qualified) >>> '86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (Savannah) >>> Nunquam Pendite Divendium >>> >> > > > -- > roger w > There are two kinds of jobs in the world: > Picking up garbage and telling people things. > Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Explore printed work at: http://www.prliving.ca/ > View the growing list of video work at: > http://revver.com/find/video/?query=LastonLastof&search_on=owners > and ... older work at > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7135104650374818257 > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3259745150182742364
Have something to add on this topic today? Revive this thread in the forum »