so that's why wikipedia has slightly not 'perfectly thorough' stuff on it !
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jake de Villiers 
  To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans 
  Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: RE thread on brakes, Dot3,4, etc.(long post)

  I haven't written the Wikipedia article yet....

  On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

    it's either.
    whether from a brake fluid issue, or friction material issue.
    what does Wikipedia say ?
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
    To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:17 AM
    Subject: Re: RE thread on brakes, Dot3,4, etc.(long post)

      You're right Allan. Brake fade is caused by the layer of hot gases between
      the friction medium and the rotating surface.

      Boiling fluid is, uh, boiling fluid!  =)

      On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib <streib@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:

        Nice write-up, however I always understood "brake fade" to mean the
        heat-related loss of friction, not the boiling water/fluid phenomenon.

        Allan
        --
        1991 Vanagon GL

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