Mike. Scott.

For sure. I should know better.

I "saved" a 1.9 WBX that was "seized" according to the PO. (actually
hydro locked. Crankcase FULL of oil/gas)

It had a faulty FPR diaphragm and a burned/melted FI. (likely due to
the excess fuel "lighting up" in an intake runner)

This 1.9 also had a totally hinky alt bracket. (one hole ovaled with a
bolt jambed in. The other was sheered off. My temp fix:

http://musomuso.googlepages.com/alt.tempbrackets

I guess I was "saying" they don't flood like a carb engine as I
assumed the OP *may* not know a lot about engines. I didn't express
this though.

Regardless, I stand corrected! --- :^)

Neil.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Scott Daniel  - Turbovans
<scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> oh, they can flood just fine !
> All you have to have for one to flood is fuel being injected, but fouled or
> worn  plus not firing the fuel in the cylinders.
> The fuel injection doesn't know that the plugs aren't firing if they're
> worn, have big gaps, etc.
> All the EFI know is 'I"m cranking, I'm supposed to hold the injectors open
> the right amount of time.'
> it's not 'smart' in any way.  ( super modern cars are - , they can detect
> misfiring in individual cylinders, and shut off fuel to individual cylinders
> , and I would imagine even during cranking. Then you get to see the CEL. )
>
> I can't think of a time in hundreds, practically thousands, that I've seen
> or worked on,  of vanagons, where there was an actual fuel pump relay issue
> of any kind.  One extremely reliable long-lifed part !
>
> Even having it checked out is not much of a guarantee sometimes.
> I looked at really NICE looking 86 Westy - they had been asking $ 9,000. (
> and it was down about $ 6K on serious repairs it needed )
> The first thing I noticed was with the engine idling ( roughly and poorly
> too ) the alternator was jumping around by about an inch ..........just
> dying to break the mounting bolts or bracket ...........as obvious as 4 flat
> tires to any vanagon savvy person.
> They sellers said ........."oh we had it checked out "...........it was by a
> local VW shop............mostly an air-cooled type shop ...........but that
> shop missed a common and well known vanagon  weak area ( alternator mounting
> ) by a country mile.  A smart 10 year old could have easily spotted it.
> But a check out is much better than no check out.
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil N" <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: '83.5 westy starts, runs well, stalls, won't restart
>
>
>> It's a fuel injected engine, so flooding shouldn't be an issue.