And yes, Frank is a REAL engineer.  Rocket Scientist type.

<http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/projects/spacewardbound/mojave2007/bios/
grunthaner.html>

I suspect that Dr. Grunthaner is more than passingly familiar with
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design.

A real engineer.

His '82: <http://members.shaw.ca/albell/notable_vans.html>

Jim

On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:

> thanks, maybe I'll remember this time ' Grun- thaner. '
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Audi Turbo motor swap
>
>
>> Frank Grunthaner is the guy you're looking for.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>
>>> re your last line there.........
>>> then that means you'll have to do a 50 degree install.
>>> it's doable.
>>> I think what you want to know is 'how can I do it without endless
>>> custom
>>> fabrication
>>> or getting into an unsolvable corner' .............something like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> you know about that conversion shop that does 1.8T Passat type vw
>>> engines
>>> in
>>> vanagons ?
>>> Sacramento, Ca area. Forget their name right now.
>>> I think their conversions are upright though, not 50 degree.
>>>
>>> there are a lot of advantages to keeping the engine at about 15
>>> degrees
>>> like
>>> it was in the car it came from.
>>> Quite a lot.
>>> I haven't done an upright conversion, but I'd like to do one,
>>> just to see
>>> how good I could get it, how low I could get it, and how much I
>>> could
>>> leave
>>> the oil and oil pick-up, turbo installation, etc. alone.
>>> Some people use 'other' turbo exhaust manifolds and an adapter so
>>> they
>>> can
>>> get the turbo higher........especially for a 50 degree install.
>>> It's very doable.
>>> I'd do one.   Not the most 'drop in' engine conversion, but they
>>> have
>>> been
>>> done, and are very doable. It's just one system at a time.
>>>
>>> "not a torque monster' ...........hmm. Turbo gas engines are
>>> fun.  I'd
>>> expect it to scoot pretty well.  Just not at 1,500 rpm.
>>> All the issues are solvable.
>>> I get his last name not quite right all the time ............Frank
>>> Garunther..........( last name is very close to that )
>>> he's done a audi turbo engine ............at 50 degees I think.
>>> He's a
>>> real
>>> engineer/nut ........
>>> takes an engineering approach like you wouldn't believe.
>>> He has even done in flight video inside a diesel oil pan testing
>>> baffle
>>> configurations and what the oil does, and stuff like that. I
>>> think he is
>>> actually an engineer too.
>>> google him.
>>> he's way into it, and I am certain he has done an Audi gas turbo
>>> engine
>>> in
>>> vanagon.
>>> Scott
>>> www.turbovans.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "TJ Hemrick" <x53gunner@GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:38 PM
>>> Subject: Audi Turbo motor swap
>>>
>>>
>>>  No, I'm not trying to start another flame war.  Seriously, I've
>>> searched
>>>> the
>>>> web on and off over the past few months for people who had actually
>>>> swapped
>>>> an Audi 1.8T motor into the ol' Vanagon but haven't stumbled into
>>>> anything
>>>> definitive.   Not that any of mine are actually running right
>>>> now, but
>>>> that's beside the point!  I've seen pleny of other swaps and yes
>>>> the
>>>> Zetec
>>>> is the coolest gas conversion going but I've got access to a
>>>> very low
>>>> mile
>>>> 1.8t engine with harness.  Yes, I know it's not really a torque
>>>> monster
>>>> of
>>>> a
>>>> motor but I'm really looking into how difficult it's going to be
>>>> with
>>>> the
>>>> orientation of the turbo (oil lines and all), intakes and of
>>>> course I'm
>>>> sure
>>>> we could start a side war on the mounting angle issue.  As for
>>>> me, (with
>>>> all
>>>> due respect to my trusted source in the great white north - aka
>>>> David
>>>> Marshall) I'm NOT modding my deck lid come hell or high water.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> TJ
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>> 1984 Vanagon GL
>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27