Purple H+R are NOT stiffer.
They are just lower.

I had them installed about 8 years ago. They wore out a lot, 3 of 7
spring turns are "on block", so no more spring effect there.

The stiffness is independent from the springs, it�s the shocks!

I used the purple springs with stock shocks. Sucks...
Stiffer shocks made the Van better in corners.

Whether with or without new shocks, the purple springs don�t like short
bumps. These really hurt!

Raimund

Am 17.12.2008 20:58, Scott Daniel - Turbovans schrieb:
> Hi Mark, 'stiffer than stock' springs are definitely very desirable.
> they considerably help handing as far as turn-in and corning ability go.
> I kinda hate stockers for having just too low a spring rate for any
> performance corning abilities on pavement.
>
> What I want is 'same ride height' just stiffer by 30 % or so.
> I haven't heard of any of those for sale.........I get the impression
> that
> what you have is 'stiffer and lower'  which is not what I want.
> but if you're selling that set .........maybe I'd be interested.
>
> I put Syncro.org springs, with Old Man Emu shocks, bigger brakes, and 15
> inch wheels with Michelin  Agilles tires on an SVX syncro westy I
> built for
> a guy......
> I have raced cars, I've raced off road in Baja, I've raced
> motorcycles, and
> have driven over a million miles in many kinds of cars.......so I have
> 'some
> experience's and I have to say, that syncro westy with that set up on it
> handling fantastically on pavement.  Like I couldn't have asked for
> any more
> out of it.
>  Running those same tires and wheels on my current 2WD vanagon I can say
> some of that was those tires.........awesome pavement summer tire for a
> vanagon ......205/65 R15 C ..........but I hate my stock-soft spring
> rates -
> thing still mushes out easily into hopeless understeer if you push it
> hard
> into a corner........
> primarily due to  too soft spring rates.
>  Bottom line is, you want something other than stock springs,
> but what you want is 'taller and stiffer' ......which is what syncro.org
> springs are for syncro's....
> another well-known company makes their version,
> and I have not tried Van Cafe 2WD springs......but I believe those are
> taller and stiffer too, for 2WD.
> Ideal to me for pavement is close to stock height........and about 30 %
> stiffer, and  just guessing on that figure.
> I don't want or like the 'slammed' look, like 'quite lowered' and I don't
> need the '2 inches taller thing' either ..........personally, I just want
> somewhat stiffer.
>
> ( my performance personal car, a turbo volvo sedan.........is almost
> 'unreasonably' too stiff in the ride department..........but that car
> NEVER
> mushes out or lets you down in a corner.  It's brilliant that way, and
> I'll
> gladly live with a little stiffness to get handling prowess.   What
> tire you
> run matters a LOT  too. Stock on my volvo are H speed rated tires,
> which are
> very harsh riding, but 'T' speed rated tires are perfectly supple and
> sweet
> on it, and handling is still 'right there.' )
>
> And you gotta have 15 inch wheels on a vanagon too ( or 16's ) .......
> 14's
> can't really cut it at all, not for any well-developed properly
> sorted-out
> serious vanagon.
> The difference on my personal 2WD vangon between any kind of 14 inch
> tire I
> could find, and 15 inch Michelin agilles tires is night and day, not even
> comparable, the van is so much 'more' in every way with 15's and
> really good
> tires on it.   Let me know if you want to sell those springs you have, I
> might be interested in them.
> or trade for other vanagon or SUBARU-Vanagon parts.
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Kippert" <vanagon@KIPPERT.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:31 AM
> Subject: Purple springs from H&R
>
>
>> While crawling under my van cleaning the tranny to body ground I
>> noticed that I had purple springs. They are on all 4 corners. I
>> finally got around to checking them out further. They appear to by by
>> H&R. I took some pictures and on the passenger side saw what I think
>> is a model number (29 951 VA). My research indicates they lower the
>> van 1.5 inches. I'm not sure I want my van lowered, I kinda like a
>> taller ride.
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience with them? Are they something I want
>> on my Vanagon. A previous owner must have wanted them but is it
>> something I will find beneficial?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Mark
>>
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