yes, you are very correct.
points well taken.
And yes, tdi's are a lot better, for sure.
I'm afraid to read what Karl said regarding my anti-diesel comments  !
...............lol   :-)

Let's see..........I've owned a 240D Benz, worked on many, and did "TD
Vanagon"  as my personal and main vehicle for about 7 years........
only the first engine blew, all the rest I put in where fine.
and I own two sunroof diesel vanagons right now, and 3 diesel engines..
Sure, they're great .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zeitgeist" <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: TD/TDI noise?

> Heh heh heh...you have no clue.  I've owned well over a dozen diesel
> powered
> rigs (and professionally wrenched on dozens more), and yes, even an '82
> diesel Vanagon.  The latter is/was a joke.  The Vanagon 1.6TDs were a bit
> of
> a chuckle, but the TDIs are stone-cold serious.  I'm primarily an MB
> turbodiesel guy these days, but I give well-deserved props to the TDI as a
> truly innovative and impressive machine.  The NA VW diesels were perfectly
> serviceable (routinely seeing 250k or more) in the smaller lighter
> chassis,
> but hopelessly out of their league in a big 'ol brick like a van.  That's
> hardly compelling an indictment of diesel technology
>
> Whatever...
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> lol.
>> how many have you owned when the blew to pieces ?
>> not any I gather !   But someone will be owning those cars when they have
>> an expensive repair or rebuild due.
>>
>> We could debate it forever, so you like what you like, and I'll be down
>> on
>> diesels for being smelly and noisy - and blowing up easily, like the
>> stock
>> engines in diesel vanagons .  And 1.9's too, in diesel vanagons.  Have
>> seen
>> and read about a lot of those blown up.  I have one here.........it went
>> through two heads in about 3 years.
>>
>> and yes, due to much more advanced technology, like multiple
>> mini-injections after the main event..........the traditional clatter
>> associated with diesels is eliminated with a electronic modern tdi.
>> Magical
>> things are achievable via electronics.
>>  But tell my dump truck neighbors to operate their stinky diesel downwind
>> from me. They really are offensively smelling.  And they'll let the
>> things
>> idle for an hour sometimes, not far from me. Not pleasant.  The noise of
>> diesel helps ruin the hearing of many truckers after years too.
>>
>> I think all diesel lovers should camp downwind of some idling diesels for
>> a
>> few days.
>> no offense intended though, for sure.
>> just Opinions.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zeitgeist" <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: TD/TDI noise?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dood, there are no downsides to diesel.  That noise is the sound of raw
>>> grunt powerrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  All cars should be diesel.  My '96 Passat tdi
>>> was
>>> remarkably quiet and vibration free.  Awesome engines--just clean out
>>> the
>>> intake manifold, or better yet, trick the 'puter into defeating the EGR
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is more 'personal opinion' .,..........but noise and vibration are
>>>> two
>>>> of the numerous downsides to diesels.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> Casey
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '94 100CSQ Avant
>>> '89 Bluestar
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Casey
> '87 300TD
> '94 100CSQ Avant
> '89 Bluestar