

| Subject: | Re: Vanagon List Moderator-let's get things underway! |
| From: | Mike S |
| Date: | Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:45:20 -0500 |
At 08:37 PM 1/14/2009, David Clarkson wrote... >I personally am not aware or informed of any existing charter or set >of bylaws >that pertain to the actual moderation process. The post below, made to the list by Jim Arnott on Sun, 16 Nov 2008, must have gotten lost in the cruft. >This is the charter of the Vanagon List. > >Welcome to the list! > >You MUST READ this document and agree to abide by it if you want to >stay on >the list. > >This list is only about Volkswagen T25 Transporters, Vanagons and >Caravelles, model years 1980 through end of production. If you have an >earlier bus, or a Eurovan, you are on the wrong list. For 1950-1967 >buses, you will probably want Thom Fitzpatrick's vintagebus list. For >1968-1979 buses you'll be looking for the type2 list. Each can be >found at their respective dot coms. For Eurovans, >there is a Yahoogroup list. > >To maintain this resource we use (at the time of this writing) a list >administrator and a server admin. You can always get hold of the >administrator >by sending mail to vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com. > >To post a message to the list, send it to vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com. > >gerry.vanagon.com is funded entirely by donations from list members. >We do not run advertisements or endorse vendors. You will not be >charged (or expected to >hand over an obligatory donation) for any resource we provide, not >ever. > >This list has about a thousand people on it (yes!), and because of >that we have to have some rules. This is how we maintain the value of >the list as an >information source. > > >________________________________________________________________________ >_______ PRIORITY ONE RULES -- If you screw up here you'll be kicked >off the list and >quite possibly banned forever (we really mean it): > > >--Do not EVER post UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list. Clear >instructions for getting off of the list are printed in every single >message the list server sends out. Every single one. If for some >reason you are having trouble getting >off of the list, send mail to the administrator on duty at >vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com > >--Do not EVER post "TEST" messages to the list. Don't even think about >doing this. If you are having trouble posting, send mail to the list >administrator >on duty at vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com and they will help you. > >--Do not EVER post virus warnings, or messages about important issues >that you think should concern everybody in the world. Do not post >messages unless they have legitimate Vanagon content. If you think the >message you're sending is so important that the "Vanagon content" rule >does not apply to you, that means that >you should ==NOT== post it. > >--Do not ever continue a thread that an administrator has "killed". >This is fairly rare, but if an admin says, "please kill this thread," >then do not post >any more messages on that topic. This is how the admins keep marginal >discussions from growing out of control. > >--Do not harvest addresses. It is not appropriate to collect the >personal email addresses of list members and send them bulk email >about your event or "special >offer". This is called "spamming" and if you do it you will be >denounced >throughout Usenet and all the VW mailing lists, banned from our list >forever, >and we will be talking to your ISP about having your service >terminated. > >--Do not use an auto-responder without unsubscribing from the list >first. If your "out of the office" program starts trying to post >messages to the list >you will be removed. > >--Do not use profanity on the list. This is not your high-school >locker room. > > >________________________________________________________________________ >_______ PRIORITY TWO RULES -- If you screw up here you will be quietly >"moderated", which means a list administrator will intercept and >examine every message you >try to post to the list. This can slow your messages by up to 48 >hours: > >--Don't post chatty messages. If it does not have legitimate Vanagon >content, do not post it to the list. There should be a good reason >that 1000 people will download your message. We do enforce the "no >chat" rule consistently and it is >the number one reason people get moderated. > >--Don't post Friday subjects except on Friday. Historically, the >content >guidelines are looser on Friday, and that is the only day when it is >appropriate to post messages on certain (marginal) subjects. However, >even on Fridays posts >should have Vanagon content. > >________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >ETIQUETTE AND LIST CULTURE -- > >--There is a mail size limit of 20,000 characters and we don't allow >attachments. Do not try to post pictures, they won't get through. > >--Please quote only for context. Do not quote other people's entire >messages >when replying. Especially do not include an entire digest when >replying. > >--Search the List Archive. >In other words, consult the extensive resources available to you at >gerry.vanagon.com before asking on the list. You will get more >information faster that way. If you ask frequently asked questions >(FAQs) or frequently annoying recurring threads (FARTS), people will >be inclined to ignore you or >become caustic. > >--Vendors are welcome and encouraged to participate in the list-- >we've had several vendors who have been valued list members. Specific >answers to specific queries about products and pricing are fine, but >please avoid repeatedly posting advertisements. What we're looking for >here is high information value for the listees. If we think you are >merely spamming we will moderate you very quickly. > >--Occasionally, a list member will have a problem with the performance >of a vendor or with a private transaction gone bad. If you are having >trouble with a vendor, do everything you reasonably can to resolve it >WITH THE VENDOR before you bring it to the list. Do not ambush people. >If you can't resolve it yourself, it is a valid topic for discussion >on the list, but please stick to the facts of the vendor's product or >performance. Flames are not appropriate EVEN IF you can >prove you've been shafted. > >--Try to write using conventional capitalization, syntax and spelling. >It indicates respect for the reader, and intentionally ignoring these >conventions >indicates contempt. > > >________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >PRIVACY POLICY > >We detest spammers. We will not sell or share our subscriber lists no >matter >what the inducement. Our list server will not reveal the addresses of >subscribers through automated commands. Our web site does not employ >cookies. > >We do log all web transactions and all mail transactions; this is done >strictly for the sake of security. We do not keep track of your >browsing habits. By subscribing to this list you have not consented to >receive "promotional email" or any other such rubbish. In short, we >will not spy on you, and if you have trusted us with your email >address we will do our best to see that your trust >is not betrayed. > > >________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >LEGAL STUFF > >1. This is not a moderated list. The administrator doesn't see the >messages until you do, maybe later than you do, and because of the >nature of this medium >the administrator has no way of retracting messages from public view. >Propagation is automatic; once you send a message, it's gonna go, and >there's >no way of stopping it. > >2. Since that is true, the administrator cannot control what is posted >to this list, and therefore disclaims any responsibility for the >messages the list server propagates. If you post a message, you alone >are responsible for it. If >you don't like that, then don't post messages. > >3. This list is distributed from a server located in the USA. By >United States copyright law (and by treaty with many other countries), >messages posted to this list are copyrighted with all rights reserved >by their respective authors. The administrator of this list makes no >claim to ownership of your messages and >will not republish or sell them, and neither should anybody else. > >However, cross posting is common on the Net whether it is authorized >or not, and if you post a message to this list it will automatically >be entered into at a publicly accessible online archive, where it will >remain permanently. If you don't like the possibility of your words >being cross-posted or archived, then don't >post messages.
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