I see Jeff....
thanks.
so it's basically that OBD-II cats are built to a better standard and must
last 50K miles/ 5 years.
That makes some sense.
so how much does on of those cost in Ca for a late vanagon ?

and.........if I sell this 85 Adventurewagon I have for sale to someone in
California........
I suppose they would automatically need the 'new standard' cat in Ca for it,
to get through the van's first Ca smog check ?

and where does one get such a cat, and how much are they ?
thanks,
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?

> This has been covered before... the main reason California is requiring
> all
> new catalytic converters to meet OBD-II standards is to improve the
> overall
> quality of the cats sold in CA.  OBD-II cats must come with 50k mile/5
> year
> warranties.
>
> That pretty much eliminates those cheap $100 Vanagon cats.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:51 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?
>
> thanks for posting the Jerry.
> I'll be real curious to find out what the real deal is......
> since what's quoted below doesn't make a lot of sense.
>
> partly what doesn't make sense, as far as I know, is that a cat for a 1996
> car, for example, isn't any different in how it works from a cat from a
> 1986
> car ...........
> the later cat might have a spot of a post-cat oxygen sensor .........
> but the material used in the cat isn't different or anything like that, as
> far as I know.....
> it's the entire engine management system that's different in OBD-II
> compared
> to OBD-I and pre-OBD cars.
>
> what they are leaving out is the very very fine print ....the fine print
> from Ca that says ( we, the State of California,  are trying to get all
> older cars off the road in Ca. )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "azsun99" <azsun99@EARTHLINK.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:43 PM
> Subject: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?
>
>
>>I was browsing a parts catalog (not one of the usual list vendors) and
>>when
>>I looked
>> up the catalytic converter for a '90 Vanagon, there was this note on the
>> page:
>>    "With oxygen sensor hole. New CARB regulations that went into effect
>> on
>> January 1,
>> 2009 now require all exhaust catalyst devices that are sold in California
>> regardless
>> of model year must meet the tougher OBD II emission standards that were
>> introduced in
>> the 1996 model year. Until further notice, this catalytic converter
>> should
>> not be used
>> on vehicles registered in California."
>>
>> Anyone in California subject to CARB rules care to comment?
>>
>> Just wondering.
>>
>> Jerry