

| Subject: | Re: Manual trans replacement |
| From: | Jonathan Farrugia |
| Date: | Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:16:02 -0400 |
the last time i dealt with taking the slave lever arm off this is how i did it, after messing around with it quite a bit trying to massage it off. with the trans on the bench i made a small sheet metal heat shield that sort of slipped behind the slave arm. in between it and the transmission case. i then got out the oxygen-acetylene torch and heated that slave arm a nice dull to bright red. that burned and melted all the cute little plastic bushings and sleeves that the throw out bearing fork rides in. however as i remember it the arm came off and was saveable. i ordered all new bushings much to the annoyance of the FLAPS. when you put that arm back on the shaft do yourself a favor and put anti-seize on the shaft. that helps it come apart easier the next time. jonathan On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, mark drillock wrote: > I live where vehicles don't rust. The notion of that lever easily > popping off is foreign to me too. I'm sure some do but seldom the ones I > need to remove. I have used prybars/hammers, pullers after welding on > tabs, propane torches, sawsalls, etc. > > Mark > > Ken Wilford wrote: >> I agree with Dylan, that shaft coming off here in the rust belt is very >> iffy. I have had ones not want to come off with pullers, etc and I had >> to cut the shaft off of get it off then put a whole new actuator shaft >> in (remove transmission). The end of the shaft is super soft and so if >> the arm doesn't come off easily any thing you do to it will mushroom it >> and then the arm will never come off without more radical surgery. I >> wish you could just pull the clip and slide this thing off by hand. >> Maybe out west where things aren't as rusty this is an option but not >> where I'm at. It is easier to undo the engine carrier and drop that >> down an inch or two to get some room. >> >> Ken Wilford >> John 3:16 >> www.vanagain.com >> >> >> dylan friedman wrote: >>> The big if is IF you can remove the clutch lever from the shaft. >>> I am 50 50 on removing that part. >>> >>> dylan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Sam Walters <syncrosam@GMAIL.COM> >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:27:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: Manual trans replacement >>> >>> From: "Tim King" <tking_ms@h...> >>> Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 2:57 am >>> Subject: Re: [Syncro] Time to change out the slave >>> cylinder...(another removal tip) >>> >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> Hey Folks, I've got a slave tip that will save you some time on this. >>> Brent, sorry I didn't see this earlier, but just got back into the >>> country. (Three weeks in France. Boy French vehicles have come a long >>> way. We had a diesel Renault Laguna that was frankly sweet. Only saw >>> about five vanagons the whole time, but many many other delivery-style >>> vans.) Anyway, I digress... >>> >>> I got a tip from Daryl at AA transaxle that makes removing the slave >>> on a syncro a snap. Basically, you just remove the slave bracket from >>> the tranny by removing ONE snap ring then the clutch lever. >>> >>> 1. Move slave shaft/boot off clutch lever ball. If your slave is >>> totally shot, you can usually just push the slave cylinder shaft/boot >>> off the ball on the clutch lever. If it's a good slave (say you are >>> just R and Ring the tranny), you may need to open the bleeder to make >>> it easy to remove. Just lever it free, then let it hang free. >>> >>> 2. Wiggle the clutch lever off the shaft. If it's been there for a >>> while, you may need some liquid wrench or something, but it should >>> come off by hand. >>> >>> 2.5. Unbolt bracket supports and hose retainers from tranny (above CV >>> shaft). >>> >>> 3. Pull the bracket and slave off as one unit. >>> >>> 4. Pull the unit down under the van (you put it on ramps, right?) and >>> work on it where you have access to it from both ends and room for >>> standard wrenches. You may need to remove a couple of the hose clamps >>> holding the hose to your tranny to give you more slack. >>> >>> 5. Bolt on new unit and install in reverse. >>> >>> 6. Pressure bleed system and hit the road. >>> >>> Using this method takes about 30-40 minutes total, assuming you are >>> using a pressure bleeder like Brent recommends. >>> >>> Note: I'm not sure if it's syncro specific -- I think it requires the >>> flexible plastic fluid lines of the syncro, something my 83 vanagon >>> was lacking. >>> >>> Have fun. This tip from trannyman extraordinaire Daryll at AA >>> transaxle makes a drag of a job a LOT easier. >>> >>> Tim King >>> Seattle, WA >>> 87 Syncro Westy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Brent Christensen >>> To: Syncro@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Syncro] Time to change out the slave cylinder... >>> >>> Well, I did the nasty deed and replaced the slave cylinder >>> yesterday morning. Not all that bad, really. Dr. Rainer's tip sheet >>> (which I have left attached to this e-mail) was very helpful as a road >>> map, but I would offer the following additional advice to anyone >>> planning this job: >>> >>> First, having a pressure bleeder made bleeding the system a >>> 5-minute one person job. If you don't have one already, run out and >>> get one. I have a unit called an "Eezi-bleed" that I bought years ago >>> for an Austin Healey - about $30 and it is pressurized by a tire (I >>> use a wheelbarrow tire with about 25 psi in it). A quick search >>> turned them up at http://www.aep.bigstep.com/Eezi.htm >>> >>> Secondly, a 13 mm "Crows foot" at the end of a long 3/8" >>> extension worked WONDERS for removing the pesky rear bolt (the one >>> towards the reat of the van). Forget trying to do it with box >>> wrenches, unless you have a "super stubby" like Snap-On makes, or you >>> are willing to make your own by cutting it in half and grinding the >>> stub smooth. Another ideal tool would be a 13 mm "distributor wrench" >>> but I was not able to find one, and don't even know if they are made >>> in 13 mm. >>> >>> Removing the Slave cylinder entirely from the topside is possible, >>> and I would submit, easier. In fact, if you are lucky, you could do >>> it without ever crawling under the van at all. The trick is to undo >>> the banjo fitting at the slave cylinder, which is a bit tricky if you >>> have thick fingers. You have to force the short coolant hose back far >>> enough so that you can back the bolt out from the banjo nut. Be >>> prepared, as all the fluid will then leak out from the system, which >>> for me was nothing, since the slave had failed and dumped all its >>> fluid already. (Also, having a pressure bleeder, I was not worried >>> about introducing air into the system). >>> >>> The most difficult thing about reinstalling the new unit (which I >>> did as an entire assembly - shaft, boot and cylinder) is getting the >>> nuts started. When you drop the slave in place, the rod rests against >>> the clutch's throw-out arm (or whatever you want to call it). This >>> means that the unit wants to sit about 5 mm above its mating surface >>> unless you apply some force, which then compresses the spring inside >>> the cylinder (which is still empty of fluid). Once the rear nut is >>> started by hand (I used a 13 mm combination wrench slipped in >>> underneath the bolt head to hold it in place, which is tricky) you can >>> crank it down about 1/2 way by pushing the slave down against its >>> mating surface and rotating the nut with your forefinger and middle >>> finger. >>> >>> Once the slave is secured like this, you can start the forward >>> bolt from underneath (you have to do the rear bolt first, since the >>> only way to put it into position from underneath is to use the hole >>> that the slave cylinder fits into). Start the nut by hand, then reach >>> in with a long extension and "wobble socket" or 13mm socket on a 3/8" >>> knuckle. With a wobble socket, there is sufficient clearance - with a >>> knuckle + socket it could be pretty tight. I was able to completely >>> tighten the forward bolt this way after reaching underneath and >>> placing a box wrench around the head of the bolt and resting against >>> something. A couple more turns on the rear bolt head with the >>> crow's foot and the cylinder was in nice and snug. >>> >>> Next comes the banjo fitting, which was surprisingly easy to get >>> back on. I pulled back the aforementioned hose and gently started the >>> bolt with a couple of fingers twiddling at it until the threads >>> caught, then tightened it down with a 17mm open end wrench. Tightened >>> it up and then fit a small plastic tube to the bleeder screw, running >>> it down to an empty brake fluid can propped in the engine bay. >>> >>> Next, I fitted the pressure bleeder, attached the wheel barrow >>> tire, and then went back and opened the bleeder screw. I stood and >>> watched the bubbled dribble out of the system while I opened my first >>> beer (when was the last time you did *that* while bleeding a hydraulic >>> system?). After a couple minutes and no more bubbles, I checked the >>> pedal. No pedal, so I pumped it slowly about 10 times and turned the >>> bleeder on again by reapplying the air pressure from the tire. About >>> 30 seconds later another batch of bubbles came out, so I shut >>> everything down, cleaned up, and tool it out for a test drive, >>> everything working beautifully. >>> >>> Total time for job: About 2 hours start to finish, not including >>> setup and cleanup. >>> >>> Brent Christensen >>> Santa Barbara, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >Removing the Clutch Slave Cylinder >>> >---------------------------------- >>> > >>> >1. Even though the clutch slave cylinder is held by only two >>> bolts, it's >>> > a bear to remove. First thing you should do is to apply generous >>> > doses of WD40 or similar to the two bolts. And since, if mounted >>> > correctly, the bolts are sitting there with their heads down and >>> > their shafts up, the best way to apply the WD40 is from the engine >>> > compartment. And while you are there, also remove the tiny rubber >>> > cap on top of the bleeding valve of the slave cylinder before it >>> > might get lost in the process of the removal. >>> > >>> >2. The flexible hose leading to the clutch slave cylinder is >>> attached to >>> > the frame of the van by two clamps. Remove both these clamps from >>> > the van. >>> > >>> >3. The front bolt holding the clutch slave cylinder is best >>> removed from >>> > below the van with a 13mm socket on top of a long extension >>> while at >>> > the same time holding the nut with a 13mm wrench. The shorter that >>> > wrench, the better. The real problem, however, is the rear bolt. >>> > Push up the rubber boot protecting the push rod for the clutch >>> lever >>> > as much as possible. This way you are then able to access both ends >>> > of the rear bolt from the engine bay. Sneak in a 13mm wrench in >>> > order to hold the head of the rear bolt and remove the nut using >>> > another 13mm wrench. Again, the shorter this wrench the better, and >>> > a flat box wrench is probably suited best, because it will fit >>> every >>> > 30 degrees. >>> > >>> >4. When the two bolts are removed dive under the van again, pull the >>> > push rod out of the rubber boot at the lower end of the slave >>> > cylinder and also gently pull the rubber boot from the slave >>> > cylinder. If necessary use a small screw driver to convince the >>> boot >>> > of letting go. Finally carefully find a path between tranny, fuel >>> > tank, slave cylinder mounting bracket, half axle, coolant and >>> exhaust >>> > piping, and maybe some other things to bring the slave cylinder >>> down, >>> > so it will hang on its hose right below the tranny. >>> > >>> >5. In order to minimize the loss of brake fluid you should now >>> remove as >>> > much brake fluid from the reservoir in the instrument cluster on >>> the >>> > dash as is necessary to lower the brake fluid level below the hose >>> > entering the reservoir from the right. This way opening the hose at >>> > the slave cylinder will not drain the reservoir any more. >>> > >>> >6. To disconnect the hydraulic fitting at the end of the hose >>> from the >>> > slave cylinder you need something to catch the hydraulic fluid >>> still >>> > in the hose, as well as a 17mm box wrench, a piece of wood, and a >>> > hammer. Put the box wrench on the head of the hyraulic fitting in >>> > such a way that wrench and slave cylinder form a rather flat >>> > triangle, cylinder to the left, wrench to the right, and the >>> head of >>> > the hydraulic bolt pointing towards you. Place this triangle on the >>> > piece of wood and then carefully hammer on the eye of the wrench, >>> > flattening the triangle even more and thus loosening the bolt of >>> the >>> > hydraulic fitting. Be prepared to catch the brake fluid which now >>> > starts oozing out. Remove the hydraulic fitting altogether and make >>> > sure not to lose the two copper washers sitting on the hydraulic >>> bolt >>> > on either side of the hydraulic eye. Drain the rest of the brake >>> > fluid from both, the hose and the slave cylinder (push the piston >>> > back manually). >>> > >>> > >>> >The Slave Cylinder Repair Kit >>> >----------------------------- >>> > >>> >The slave cylinder repair kit contains >>> > >>> > - a boot for the push rod >>> > >>> > - a main seal for the piston >>> > >>> > - a cap for the bleeding valve >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Repairing the Clutch Slave Cylinder >>> >----------------------------------- >>> > >>> >1. Place the slave cylinder in a vise, bleeding valve down. As >>> you can >>> > see now, the piston is retained by a circular clip sitting in a >>> grove >>> > in the slave cylinder. However, that's not the regular C-clip you >>> > can remove with the corresponding pliers. Rather use a small screw >>> > driver and a hammer and drive the screw driver between circlip and >>> > slave cylinder at the side oposite the gap in the circlip, at the >>> > same time pushing the piston slightly back with one finger of the >>> > hand holding the screw driver. This will push one side of the >>> > circlip down while the other end will go up allowing you now to >>> > easily remove the circlip. >>> > >>> >2. Next push the piston down the slave cylinder, close the >>> opening for >>> > the hydraulic fitting with your thumb, and then suddenly remove the >>> > thumb so the piston will shoot up and half way out of the slave >>> > cylinder, where you now can easily pull it out altogether. Remove >>> > the spring from the rear end of the piston and then remove the old >>> > seal by simply using a srew driver and pulling the seal over the >>> rear >>> > end of the piston (it's elastic enough). >>> > >>> >3. Dry the piston as well as the inside of the slave cylinder and >>> then >>> > use finest emery-cloth to remove any residues from both, >>> cylinder and >>> > piston. >>> > >>> >4. Next, pull the new seal over the rear end of the piston. Mind >>> that >>> > the upper and lower edges of the seal have different outer >>> diameters. >>> > The greater outer diameter points to the rear end of the piston, >>> > where the spring is attached. Put spring and piston back into the >>> > slave cylinder, push the piston down a little, and insert the >>> > circlip. >>> > >>> >5. Now turn the slave cylinder in the vise upside down, so that the >>> > bleeding valve is pointing upwards. Again apply some WD40, then use >>> > a 7mm wrench to screw the valve entirely out of the slave cylinder. >>> > Clean the valve, in particular the little hole near the pointed >>> end, >>> > then reassemble the valve and close it tightly. >>> > >>> > >>> >Installing the Clutch Slave Cylinder >>> >------------------------------------ >>> > >>> >Basically undo all the steps you did before to remove the slave >>> cylinder >>> >in reverse order. However, mind a few things: >>> > >>> > - Put one of the copper washers on the hydraulic bolt, then the >>> > hydraulic eye, then the other copper washer. Then screw the >>> > hydraulic fitting into the slave cylinder. To tighten the bolt, >>> > again form a flat triangle with the slave cylinder and a 17mm box >>> > wrench. This time, however, the box wrench is at the left side, >>> > the slave cylinder at the right, and the head of the hydraulic bolt >>> > is again facing you. The rubber boot should not yet be installed. >>> > Before you fasten the bolt by placing this triangle on a piece of >>> > wood and striking the eye of the wrench more or less gently with a >>> > hammer, make sure the orientaion of the hydraulic hose is roughly >>> > perpendicular to the slave cylinder and downward. >>> > >>> > - Top off the brake fluid reservoir in the instrument cluster and >>> > bleed the system. The bleeding valve is easily accessible now with >>> > the slave cylinder just hanging below the tranny, and you can also >>> > easily check for any leaks (if the slave cylinder is leaking at the >>> > hydraulic fitting you probably forgot to insert one of the two >>> > copper washers). >>> > >>> > - Install the rubber boot (but not yet the push rod) at the >>> lower end >>> > of the slave cylinder and -- folding the rubber boot against the >>> > slave cylinder -- persuade the slave cylinder to go up above its >>> > mounting bracket again. Insert the rear bolt from below and screw >>> > on the nut a few turns only. Then insert the push rod between the >>> > clutch operating lever and the slave cylinder piston, press the >>> > slave cylinder down against its mounting bracket, insert the front >>> > bolt with its shaft pointing up, and screw on the nut. Fasten the >>> > front bolt from below using a 13mm socket on a long extension and a >>> > 13mm wrench to fix the bolt, then fasten the rear bolt from the >>> > engine bay using two 13mm wrenches. Place the rubber cap on the >>> > bleeding valve. >>> > >>> > - Pull the lower end of the rubber boot down the push rod until it >>> > sits in the small grove at the lower end of the rod. Attach the >>> > two clamps to the frame that are holding the flexible clutch hose. >>> > >>> > - Test the operation of the clutch: pull parking brake, put the >>> > tranny into first gear, step on both, the brake and the clutch >>> > pedal, and then start the engine. >>> >>> >> > > >
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