

| Subject: | Re: Tires - Why oh why NOT? |
| From: | Kim Brennan |
| Date: | Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:25:35 -0400 |
I will contribute to this thread. 3400 pounds in a tall narrow package does not equal 3400 pounds in a wide squat package. The Vanagon is taller and narrow than vehicles of comparable weight and sits on a narrower wheel base. Because of this shape, if/when a tire deflates a larger amount of mass at a higher point above the road, is getting shifted. As anyone who has used a fulcrum should know, it is easier to move things with a longer arm. That extra height of the Vanagon makes it easier to flip it over, if it has a bit of impetutus, such as a tire blow out. On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Chris S wrote: > This is the only compelling argument I've read so far against using > M-B sufficient tires on the Vanagon. Good job. > > 2009/3/14 The Bus Depot <vanagon@busdepot.com>: >> Chris S., quoting long glowing GoWesty ad for Michelin HydroEdge >> 15" car >> tires, concludes... >> >>> Yes, 14'' passenger tires are deadly on a fully loaded Westy. >>> I'm not talking about 14'' tires. Again, I quote "... they >>> provide WAY better handling and safety." >> >> >> GoWesty's claim directly contradict both Volkswagen and the U.S. >> D.O.T. As >> per VW, using 15" or even 16" tires does NOT eliminate the need for >> an >> extra-load tire. The Eurovan, for example, has about the same GVWR >> as the >> Vanagon and came factory equipped with 15" and 16" tires. Yet VW >> specified >> ONLY extra-load tires in both 15" and 16" sizes. The same applies >> to the >> current model T5 van, and even to earlier Buses that came equipped >> with 15" >> tires (and weighed less than Vanagons). In fact NEVER has Volkswagen >> recommended passenger-car rated tires for their vans, no matter >> whether 14", >> 15", or 16". If you do the math regarding D.O.T. safety >> requirements for >> Vanagon tires, as explained at http://busdepot.com/details/ >> tires.jsp, you'll >> see that federal regulations also prohibit the use of standard-load >> passenger car tires - regardless of size - on VW vans. >> >> Volkswagen did not just randomly come up with the minimum specs for >> tires on >> the Vanagon. Such specs are based on solid engineering and testing. >> The fact >> that they continuously tweaked recommended inflation over the years >> indicates that they also revisited the issue periodically - but >> over 40 >> years, NEVER ONCE waivered from their insistance that extra-load >> tires must >> be used. >> >> So, you can rely on Volkswagen's own engineering, or the unproven >> advice of >> a retailer who has a vested interest in your ignoring factory safety >> recommendations (they want to sell you their wheels/tires, which >> don't meet >> VW specs). Given that it is possible to buy appropriately rated >> Vanagon >> tires in all sizes, why on earth would you take this risk? Might >> as well >> stop wearing your seatbelt too. If Volkswagen turns out to be right >> after >> all, it will be during evasive maneuvers (when most of the weight is >> transferred to one wheel) when you will find out. In other words >> you'll find >> out the hard way as your van flips over. But at least while you see >> your >> loved ones being crushed or ejected from your Vanagon, you'll have >> the >> comfort of knowing you saved a few bucks on tires. >> >> - Ron Salmon >> The Bus Depot, Inc. >> www.busdepot.com >> > > > > -- > Chris S. > Disclaimer: "Death and serious injury may occur"
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