

| Subject: | Re: Tie rod replacement (not tie rod ends) |
| From: | David Hines |
| Date: | Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:31:10 -0400 |
I pulled back the boot to the steering rack and noticed that the ball socket end had loosened a few threads and was causing the play in the tie rod. I tightened it back but the slot for the locking tab is on the top and slightly toward the rear. There is only a few inches clearence above that so I will have to loosen the rack and try to rotate it so I can access the locking tab and bend it over. I hope this works without removing the PS fluid lines if not, I had an idea to connect a couple lengths of rubber hose to the PS lines to direct the fluid into a container and minimize the mess. Last time I removed one I used a drain pan but the fluid dripped all over. I wish VW would have placed the PS locking slot on the side or bottom like it is on the manual rack. David Hines 87' suby syncro On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:13:18 -0400, Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> wrote: >David, I know I have replaced these without taking the rack out before >so there should be no problem. I have never seen the rack actually worn >out to cause this problem. I have seen the inner tie rod ball/socket >worn out though so that is most likely what it is. You should be able >to see the play in it while someone wiggles the wheel now that you have >the boot pulled back. Let me know if you need anything. I can get >these parts on the way to you quickly. > >Ken Wilford >John 3:16 >www.vanagain.com > > >David Hines wrote: >> I have some play in the steering wheel and have narrowed it down to the ball socket end of the drivers side tie rod. I have an 87 syncro with power steering and I have replaced the rubber steering coupling discs and the tie rod ends. I jacked up the drivers side front and pulled on the wheel at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions and I get slight movement (about 1/16 - 1/8"). There is no movement on the passenger side. So I unbolted the DS outer tie rod end to remove it from the knuckle and pulled in and out on the tie rod, and noticed the same movement. This points to the ball socket on the inner end of the tie rod or as Scott Foss pointed out in a previous message, it could be the bushing on the end of the steering rack gear (http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-bin/wa.exe? A2=ind0803A&L=vanagon&P=R18268). I am hoping it is the tie rod and not the rack. How do I diagnose the bushing on the end of the rack? >> >> My main question is has anyone replaced the whole tie rod assembly without removing the rack from the van? I really hate messing with those PS fluid lines. I am concerned about bending the tab that keeps the tie rod from loosening where it connects to the rack (see pic at: http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/InnerTieRodEndDS.jpg/InnerTieRodEndDS- full;init:.jpg) I have read in other posts that the tab is on the top of the rack and is hard to get to. >> >> My thought is to disconnect the steering shaft from the u-joint and unbolt the 4 bolts that hold the rack to the frame so I can rotate it to access the bent tabs without disconnecting the PS fluid lines. Has anyone successfully tried this before? >> >> I will be careful to clamp to the steering rack gear and not the rack when removing the tie rod as mentioned in other posts about tie rods. And I will be getting an alignment. Just in case I have to remove a PS rack again, does anyone have a trick to minimizing the amount of fluid lost and/or making a mess when disconnecting the PS fluid lines? >> >> TIA >> >> David Hines >> >> 87' suby syncro >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail�. >> http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx? ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme >> I pulled back the boot to the steering rack and noticed that the ball socket end had loosened a few threads and was causing the play in the tie rod. I tightened it back but the slot for the locking tab is on the top and slightly toward the rear. There is only a few inches clearence above that so I will have to loosen the rack and try to rotate it so I can access the locking tab and bend it over. I hope this works without removing the PS fluid lines if not, I had an idea to connect a couple lengths of rubber hose to the PS lines to direct the fluid into a container and minimize the mess. Last time I removed one I used a drain pan but the fluid dripped all over. I wish VW would have placed the PS locking slot on the side or bottom like it is on the manual rack. David Hines 87' suby syncro
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