

| Subject: | Re: Electrical setup: Photos and details |
| From: | Doug Noganav |
| Date: | Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:53:46 -0700 |
Nice work Wes! You definitely did your homework here, thanks for the detailed write up. I have been reading all of the posts about this and learning a ton. That DPDT switch certainly helps keep things from coming in contact with each other. Having a ready wired inverter at a moments notice can be a very useful thing. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "pickle vanagon" <greenvanagon@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Electrical setup: Photos and details > I wanted to send an update on the big electrical project that I undertook. > > My goal was to make the AC/DC systems work together like they "should", so > that the battery can power the A/C outlets via an inverter when no shore > power is available, and the shore power can charge the batteries and run the > DC system when shore power is available. > > For AC->DC conversion, I settled on the Truecharge 10tb: > http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/185/p/1/pt/7/product.asp > I chose it because: > *) It is a true multistage charger, capable of delivering 10 amps (in total, > but it can deliver all of them to either battery). > *) With 10 amps, it can charge the system pretty fast, and if at some point > in the future I need to garage the van for a month, I can just plug in the > van for a month and it will safely maintain the batteries. > *) The manual for it specifically endorses using to support DC loads off the > battery. Many other chargers I looked at warned against using the charger > while DC loads were connected (not good for a camper), while some were > ambiguous. > *) It is compact enough to fit in the hidden electrical compartment with the > outlet/circuit breaker. > > For the DC->AC conversion, I chose an AIMS 800 watt inverter: > http://www.invertersrus.com/pwrin800w.html > This inverter has a nice feature I didn't find in any other inverters > (except much bigger ones): the cooling fan is thermostatically controlled, > so the inverter is silent unless it is under a large load. It is also > reasonably compact. Another plus is that it is easy to disassemble (a > necessity since the fuses are inside.) This made it easier to wire up > external leds and an external switch. > > > To supply the outlets from the correct power source, I used a double-pole > double-throw switch as a transfer switch. I used this one: > http://www.mccampingsupplies.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_i d=7845 > It is rated for 20 amps, has standard screw terminals for the connections, > mounts in a standard electrical switch box, and even comes in brown! > This is an on-off-on switch. In my setup, up means inverter power, down > means shore power, center means nothing. > My original plan was to use a 3pdt switch, and use the third pole as a power > switch for the inverter. I only found "component" 3pdt switches, however, > and after beginning the installation using these, I decided it wasn't really > a good solution (it certainly wasn't "code", whatever that means in this > case). > > Note: another possible choice would be an integrated converter-charger like > they have in big RV's. This probably would have its own automatic transfer > switch. I ended up not going this route because I wanted something that > would usually be silent, and because I wanted something that was small > enough to fit in the hidden compartments. > > Wiring details: the truecharge is hardwired into the shore power line > upstream of the transfer switch. Downstream of the transfer switch is the > Pass and Seymour GFCI outlet, which also feeds (and protects) the hidden > outlet. (The stock 15a circuit breaker is upstream of everything on the > shore power line). (As I mentioned in an earlier email, the GFCI outlet has > an *very* slight buzzing when running off the inverter. I may try a > different brand of GFCI in the future, but listmembers and the Pass and > Seymour service people have convinced me the buzzing is harmless). > > As mentioned before, the truecharge is located inside the hidden wiring > compartment. The inverter is located under the drivers seat. My subwoofer > amplifier used to be located in the hidden wiring compartment, and has now > been moved to the hidden space under the passenger seat. Since our van has > the stock swivel seats, this involved cutting some sheet metal with a > dremel. > > The auxiliary battery is a Walmart group 41 battery with the receipt taped > to the top so I know where it is should I have to collect on the warranty. > The batteries are joined by 6 gauge wire and a stancor relay (located under > the passenger seat, since that simplifies wiring the amp off the aux > battery). The relay is fed off the firdge relay. Although I haven't done > it yet, I plan on using an Altronix 6062 timer relay off the fridge relay so > that the firdge can be set to run on DC for an hour after shutting the van > off, so that it can be run on DC during short stops without worrying about > accidentally draining the aux battery all the way. I ran 2 feet of 6 gauge > wire from the alternator to the starter (which is connected to the starting > battery by the stock 0 gauge wire) so that the alternator can deliver its > full charging current to the dc system. > > Photos: > Here is the transfer switch and outlet: > http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wes/vanpics/closeup.jpg > The red button is wired as a remote power switch for the inverter, and the > leds are wired as remote power and fault leds for the inverter. Note that I > bothered to paint the outside of the switch and led housings brown! The > thing to the right is our propane detector. It controls a solenoid on the > propane tank. When the alarm goes off, it beeps, flashes, and shuts off the > propane. We haven't had any problems with nuisance trips. Notice the > on/off switch: this shuts off the alarm *and* the solenoid. > > Here is a bigger view to see how it looks overall: > http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wes/vanpics/overview.jpg > > The circuit breaker has been moved to the inside of the cabinet next to the > hidden wiring compartment. I forgot to take a picture of this, but it looks > just like it did before. > > The only other evidence of the whole operation is from the cutting > underneath the passenger seat. You can see the list in the carpeting: > http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wes/vanpics/underseat.jpg > > > I should say: this project took me significantly longer than I anticipated. > Even more so than usual. I mean a really really long time!! The problem > was that I kept changing my mind about the best way to do things. I think > the way I settled on was pretty good, so if you're looking to do something > similar and need more information about what I did let me know. > > -Wes
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