

| Subject: | Re: Westfakia, Poptop, Access, Design |
| From: | Alan Felder |
| Date: | Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:21:09 -0500 |
If you can read german, there's an entire book on this: "Jetzt helfe ich mir selbst camping-bus selbstgebaut". I don't know what year this book is but it says on the cover "Uber 8 millionen verkauft" so I bet a large library might have it. It covers every step of converting a vanagon into a camper, piece by piece with dimensions, etc. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM, ALISTAIR BELL <albell@shaw.ca> wrote: > A few pics here that may help to illustrate.... > > > http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/westie-pop-top-conversion_topic30479_post227668.html > > > Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 16:49 > Subject: Re: Westfakia, Poptop, Access, Design > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > I agree, but no one suggested removing the entire roof skin. > > Only a > > section for standing in the main floor area is trimmed out, and not > > anywhere near all the way to the gutters. Cut 1/3 of the center > > of the > > shoebox lid out and not all the way to the edge and see the minimal > > impact on rigidity. > > > > Mark > > > > > > Mike wrote: > > > In a 'unibody' (also referred to as 'monocoque') > > design structure, any > > > skin section is a structurally-stressed component of the entire > > > structure. A Vanagon is considered unibody, even though > > it does > > > have frame strengthening members underneath. > > > Those roof support arches are more for rollover protection than > > > torsional rigidity of the body. The roof skin, > > however, is an > > > engineered, diagonal bracing that contributes greatly to torsional > > > rigidity of the entire body, in addition to providing added metal > > > structure to add crash or rollover protection. > > > Take a shoe box, remove the lid and grab the ends > > and attempt to twist > > > it; it will easily deform. > > > Now, put the lid on and repeat; you'll have a hard > > time deforming the > > > box from it's basic shape. > > > And, now, for the final proof of the body weakness > > created by a > > > large, unreinforced sunroof opening; cut a good -sized > > 'sunroof' into > > > your shoebox lid and repeat your twist test. What > > happens? My bet is > > > that a great amount of overall rigidity is lost due the > > 'missing' area. > > > You've cut the center out of your 'diagonal bracing! > > > VW made up for it by adding 'doublers' inside the > > factory sunroof, not > > > just a couple of cross ribs. The probably also added > > outboard, lower > > > frame cover plates (I know they did on the earlier > > buses). Side impact > > > crash protection, must also be taken into consideration in this > > > modification. (Smack the side of the shoebox to > > demonstrate this aspect.) > > > > > > Mike B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as you don't cut the 2 main > > roof arches, one at the front edge > > > of the slider door and one at the rear > > edge, the roof area between is > > > just roof skin and not of much > > importance structurally, IMHO. > > > -- Not all those who wander are lost
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