

| Subject: | Re: DDR cars, Vanagon, etc ... |
| From: | Chris S |
| Date: | Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:34:51 -0400 |
You're probably thinking of Barkas. It was powered by the same two stroke engine as Wartburg and was front wheel drive as well. I remember it as the DDR equivalent of the VW Bus. It's interesting how Chrysler claims invention of the minivan. Europe had small mikrobus-type vehicles long before Chrysler ever dreamed of mass producing a small and efficient people mover. On 4/22/09, Zolly <zolo@foxinternet.net> wrote: > Ah, that's right the DKW. There were still a few of them in the fifties and > sixties. The Wartburg looked better. There was a two stroke van made in > the DDR, I even drove one. That was about the size of a bus or Vanagon. I > don't recall the name of it now, but it's on my lip. There was no culture > those days of people owning one and driving around and living in it or such, > like here with a VW Bus or Westfalia. Not even gipsies did it. The control > of people was way too strong to have anyone running around. Especially the > fact that you had to have a full time job. There were more jobs than > people, because three did the job of one. People had to be occupied to be > under control. > I owned a Russian made bike that used to be a DKW before the war. They took > all the factories they could, away to Russia. German machinery and > technology was very advanced those days, compared to the rest of the world. > Tooling of a vehicle is still today the largest expense to manufacture one. > Here on this list sometimes we talk about having the whole car made again > from scratch. All the dies of the body cost lots, even if only one machine > was used to make them. > Those dies may still exist in South Africa. I know a few guys who were in > the manufacturing there, making the dies for the cars. > Well, I'll stop this before I get too deep into it. > Zoltan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris S" <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: Cool Vanagon Paint Job > > >> My dad bought a Wartburg 311 when I was 11. It is based on an old >> DKW/Audi design with a 3 cylinder 1l two stroke engine. It was a >> pretty car, hence no Trabant in our family. >> >> Gee, that gives me a Vanagon engine conversion idea. ;-) >> >> On 4/22/09, Zoltan <thewestyman@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Well, I'm not an East German or a one time owner of a Trabant. It is a >>> car >>> with two two-stroke cylinders, sounding like a lawn mower, the frame is >>> steel the body is some pressed syntetic material or fibre glass, so you >>> did >>> not see one with a rusted out door. Not a heavy car, four seater, made >>> in >>> the DDR. Ended production after the take over, even had to replace the >>> engine with a four stroke one. It smoked and smelled but those who had >>> one >>> loved it for being trouble free and running forever. Front wheel drive. >>> Sputtering. Four seater, two door. >>> The word Trabant means "travelling mate" or something to that effect. A >>> real simbol of the 'good old times' of the communist era. It was to them >>> >>> as >>> the VW Beatle to us. >>> The East Germans also had a three cylinder car that was bigger and faster >>> and nicer, kind of like a 'communist Mercedes', called Wartburg. >>> Now, you don't see any of them in Europe. They are gone just as the >>> Citroen >>> DS or the Citroen 2CV. >>> >>> But the communists had a few other cars people here in the US would never >>> recognize. One of them was a rear flat engined air-cooled car with four >>> seats and two doors, made in the Soviet Unio, bearing the name of the >>> town >>> is made in, Zaporozetz. >>> >>> Those of us who grew up in those times, remember the times in good spirit >>> for we were young and playful and healthy and in love, etc. Otherwise it >>> was shit. >>> Zoltan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Tom Buese >>> To: Zoltan >>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: Cool Vanagon Paint Job >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Zoltan wrote: >>> >>> >>> It would impossible for an American to even guess this car painted >>> on. >>> It >>> is a Trabant 601, if I'm not mistaken. And I bet, I'm not. >>> One of the nicest and most fun paint job. >>> >>> >>> OK, I'll show my ignorance, what is a Trabant-French? >>> >>> >>> YMMV, >>> >>> >>> Mr. BZ >>> >>> >>> Zoltan >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mister Tom" <TomsGroups@SALICOS.COM> >>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:50 PM >>> Subject: Cool Vanagon Paint Job >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3334006588_3092a1321d.jpg?v=0 >>> >>> >>> Tom Buese >>> tombuese@comcast.net >>> >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Chris S. >> Disclaimer: "Death and serious injury may occur" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2072 - Release Date: 04/21/09 > 16:48:00 > > -- Sent from my mobile device Chris S. Disclaimer: "Death and serious injury may occur"
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