Oh and for anyone interested this is the text of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2751.PCS:

click on       SEC. 2. TEMPORARY VEHICLE TRADE-IN PROGRAM.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jim Akiba<syncrolist@bostig.com> wrote:
> I disagree. It seems as though it is the same legislated fleet
> overturn that CA has started, but cloaked as something responsible and
> friendly to citizens and the environment. �If you are one of the folks
> that can appreciate how much more energy, emissions, and resources are
> saved by pre-cycling used car parts(esp engines, like from salvage
> yards etc) the other important piece of info about this bill is that
> the engine must be scrapped, and cannot be recycled or sold(as other
> than scrap metal, which is energy intensive and energy negative for
> engines). Sound like CA? Sure does to me.... but it affects me
> directly more than the average listgoer ha... damn, it appears they're
> on to us... anyhow it looks to me sort of like another pseudo-subsidy
> for the dinosaurs and old guard of the auto industry, under the guise
> of both social and environmental responsibility. �Good thing it's only
> a year long, this time.
>
> Hang in there big guys, your sales are all going to come back,
> everyone is going to buy your cars, you'll reach
> super-scale-production once again to capitalize on the last 15 years
> of investment in nothing but super-scale production efficiencies,
> lobbying, and awarding yourselves for innovation and... just kidding.
>
> Jim Akiba
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Karl Ploessl<karl.ploessl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> this is misuse of the intention: it is to get clunkers/polluters of
>> the street not so that somebody can make money out of their chunk.
>