

| Subject: | Re: Electric problem in 2.1l |
| From: | Jerry |
| Date: | Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:07:44 -0500 |
Check your Ignition switch. I had a problem with my 88 GL headlights not working. My problem was the Ignition switch. Hope this helps. JB 88 GL Guido On 7/28/09 10:31 PM, "Thomas Pfrommer" <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> wrote: > Hello, > OK I troubleshooted a bit more and cleaned all grounds in the back of > the Relay/fuse panel, removed the dash and checked the voltage > stabilizer and then suddenly it worked. So I turned the Hi beams on, the > air blower fan on and the radio on, the brake lights for about 10 > minutes. Then turned everything off. waited 5 minutes and tried it > again, now nothing of the electrical things would work but the engine > runs fine. Except When I turn the headlights on (no light is there) and > then switch to the Hi Beam, which would not stay now as the HDLights are > not on the fan and the radio goes on as well but only every second time > I switch the Hi Beam on. > This actually cries for a relay failure, doesn't it? So I looked in this > crazy 97 chapter of electrical circuits in the Bentley and there is this > load reduction relay (#8) which is in the circuit. Would this indicate > such a failure? I also see all failures I have look to the ground at the > relay box but I did connect the ground crown directly to the battery > minus with an AWG12 cable and the problem stays. SO I will probably now > go ahead and buy this #8 relay as well as the ignition switch and then > see what fixes it. I hope I do not have to remove the steering wheel, > .... and hope for the relay. > > So what causes all this? I remember I had a light switch failure with > some melted plastic half a year ago when I had the Hi beams on. So I > bought a new light switch (man this was expensive --- about 50$ or so) > and this fixed it. My whole problem came when i was driving about 30 > minutes with Hi beams in the middle of nowhere at night. So perhaps this > plastic melting sparky thing half a year ago damaged either the ignition > switch or the load reduction relay? And then with another load like Hi > Beams for a long time, I just damaged it even more .... > > Does this makes sense? > Thanks already for all your help! > Cheers > Thomas > > > > Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote: >> As many others may say ...... >> consider your ignition switch. >> ( I just fixed a 'classic' late model vanagon common failure - headlights >> won't work except if you pull the stalk to get high beams ....... >> the wiring diagram ..............and 87 I think it was .........is >> difficult >> to use or understand for the head lights, more than the diagrams for >> say, an >> 84 . Anyway ........ >> we had another ignition switch to try, plugged that in ..........and the >> lights were fixed ! ) >> >> so ...do consider that part. It's really underbuilt on a vanagon. >> if you have a spare one, or new one handy, it's easy to remove the plug >> from the back of the ignition switch, and plug on the new one, and >> turn it >> with a screw driver. >> if that fixes it, it's a little more involved to replace the switch in >> the >> steering column. Remove steering wheel, the whole lock assembly, then >> you >> can get to a small screw holding the electrical part of the ign switch >> into >> the lock assembly. >> >> voltage stabilizer in the dash pops to mind. >> as do grounds !~ ......... >> there's a ground cluster above the fuse box, way up in there. Those >> commonly get weak, loose, or corroded. >> Always check those and repair any bad ground wires there. >> >> I'd test-fit a ignition switch first myself. >> it's an inexpensive part, it's a part you want to have on board as a >> spare, >> and just plugging in one is easy. >> So small investment in energy and $ for a potentially big fix. >> Worst case, you've got a spare ignition switch, which you should have >> anyway. >> >> the 86 and later Bentley light switch and head light wiring is >> illustrated >> in such a weird and 'jump from here to there' way ........that I would >> just >> re-draw that whole circuit for myself, to get a clear view of how it >> works. >> good luck ! >> Scott >> www.turbovans.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Pfrommer" <pfrommer@PHAS.UBC.CA> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:17 PM >> Subject: Electric problem in 2.1l >> >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> its been a long time since I am posting here, which is a good sign as it >>> means the van is running (I am still following the list but can't really >>> help to contribute). Well this is not the case any more and I hope I can >>> get some good hints. >>> Occasionally (and lately more and more often) suddenly the red water >>> temperature warning light starts to flash, then the rpm meter shows >>> weird behavior (not related to the engines rpm) and then the engine >>> stops. The coolant temperature is not too high and also I have a full >>> coolant tank. It seems to be connected to how much electrical equipment >>> is running, hence if my head lights are on and I brake the described >>> behavior occurs. Or if the radio is on and so on, .... it first came >>> when I had the Hi-beam on on the highway to the Okanagan in British >>> Columbia in the middle of nowhere .... luckily with the van you can just >>> stop and sleep and wait for the next day to not drive with lights (I >>> first thought about the light fuses). >>> So I checked the fuses and all relays seem to be OK (I can't see any >>> black locations that would indicate some failure). >>> Hm, somewhere I have a bad connection but where and how can i find this >>> out? And if I draw too much current a short happens and all is out, >>> ..... at least thats what I think.... >>> Do you have an idea how I could carry on with testing to check where >>> this problem comes from? I was looking at the wiring in the Bentley but >>> could not come to one conclusive idea where this problem happens. The >>> thing that the engine stops is hard to grep, as it could be the fuel >>> pump the ignition system or something else, .... so I don't know at what >>> wiring I should start, .... >>> >>> Thanks already for the help >>> Thomas >>
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