

| Subject: | Re: Swapping clock for Tach in an 84? a bit long. |
| From: | Don Hanson |
| Date: | Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:50:51 -0700 |
Thanks, Scott. The link from the Old Volks Home page that I referenced in my OP gives a step by step of which wires to switch to which positions in the big plug. All my wires in both clusters are a match for what he says, so I think that will maybe work. But knowing to ground the high pressure wire of the DOPS to make it 'happy'...that is what I was looking for. Man, these German vehicles. My Porsche 928 was a thousand times worse with over 80 relays, all interconnected and interdependent. You *never* could just unplug one thing...That car KNEW, and resented you, and made you pay some other way. I had four different 'bridges' of wire bypasses to fool it into not refusing to run...Until I ripped all that crap out and stuck in a Motec EMS... Anyhow, thanks for the tip on the DOPS..I'll try just taking it right out of the speedo first... Don Hanson On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > Hi, > no, your early vanagon does not have some kind of secondary low oil > pressure warning system. > The van is wired for just one basic, 'low pressure' oil pressure switch. > > I would try this........ > well first of all let's say there are 'two kinds' ( at least for our > discussion here ) two kinds of instrument clusters with tachs. > the more common one would be 86 and later for 2.1 waterboxer engines, and > that printed circuit/instrument cluster has the DOPS in it. > > the other kind, more rare, but easier for you to install, is an 84 or 85 > printed circuit ..... > those vans have 1.9 wbxr engines, no DOPS in the instrument cluster , and > are much closer to a bolt-in for your van. > > Assuming you have an instrument cluster with a DOPS ... > I'd just try this for starters. > Remove the mutha ! > It's hidden inside the speedometer. > it's an 'L' shaped electronic circuit on a circuit board, about 3 X 4 > inches. ( there's a pic of it in Bentley ) > Just take it out. > > also ........very important. > T14 ........the big plug on the instrument cluster. > Which wire is where varies by year, or 'group of year.' > I put an instrument cluster with tach from ...... ( .I forget what year it > was ) ..........into an 83........ > which is 1.9 wbxr with single oil warning light system.. > > What I saw in the Bentley diagrams is that ....roughly, 80 to 82 has one > arrangement of wires at T14, > 83 and 84 is the same, 85 might be by itself, and 86 and later is the same. > > so .........if the instrument cluster and printed circuit I'm using has the > green wire ( tach signal from coil terminal 1 ) on say T14-6 ( or whatever > it is ) ......... > and the van I'm putting it into has the green wire at position say 4, in > the T14 connector plug, it is necessary to juggle the wires a bit by > position. > > Most happily, the plastic T14 connector 'opens up.' So nice, > You flip up the side of it, and the wires are just laying there, and you > can take say # 2 and put it in position 4, the one for 4 in say 7, and 7 in > 2, or whatever you need. > Takes a bit of thinking and studying , but I did it successfully. You can > too. > > about the DOPS .....if just removing the thing doesn't work, do this. > Leave it in. Find the high pressure wire for it coming out of the > instrument cluster at T14 .........and just ground that wire. > The high pressure side of the DOPS is happy if it sees ground,. The high > pressure oil switch is reverse logic from a normal oil pressure switch. > Normal ones have the light on when it sees ground ( low oil pressure ) > the high pressure switches are opposite ............if it's open to the > switch, that turns on the oil warning light, and buzzer, ......it's happy if > it sees ground. > So just ground that wire ......right there in the dash. > that will keep the DOPS happy, > and also keep your stock early van oil pressure circuit working just fine. > Just mine wire positions at T14. > > just be real careful > Don't let something like this happen. I was working on an 84 .......for > some weird instrument cluster symptom .......no temp gauge, something like > that. > I checked all I could...........wasn't getting anywhere. > And thought I'd just pop in a known good 84 cluster out of another one of > my vans. > Soon as I turn on the key - poof ! > wires fried right there where T14 plugs on.........part of the printed > circuit. > Some dooffus had taped into the wrong place for radio power ..........and > the van, or that improper wiring damaged the original instrument cluster, > then it did it to my good one too. > Bummer. > so be real careful. > Check all your wire changes like 5 times before you turn on the key the > first time etc. > > Scott > www.turbovans.com > >
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