People always throw around the $25,000 penalty figure for gutting the
catalytic converter, but it's only $3,750.  Last time I replaced a
cat, on an 85 Golf, I was able to buy a somewhat generic one for
about $100.  Well worth the money for me in terms of pollution reduction.

Edward

Under Section 205(a) of the Act, 42 U.S.C. 8 7524(a), the maximum penalty for
violations of the vehicle and engine requirements under Title I1 of
the Act is $25,000 per vehicle
or engine, with two exceptions. The maximum penalty for violations of
the tampering
prohibition when committed by any person other than a manufacturer is
$2,500 per vehicle, and
the maximum penalty for violations of the defeat device prohibition
is $2,500 per device.
These maximum penalty amounts were increased from $25,000 to $32,500
and from $2,500 to
$2,750 for violations occurring after March 15,2004, through January
12,2009, and to $37,500
and $3,750 for violations occurring thereafter (see Civil Monetarv
Penalty Inflation Ad-iustment
m, 69 Fed. Reg. 7 12 1 (Feb. 13,2004) and Civil Monetarv Penalty
Inflation Adiustment Rule,
73 Fed. Reg. 75340 (Dec. 11,2008))

At 10:49 AM 10/16/2009, Dave Mcneely wrote:
>Well, if the intent is to sell the other parts, understood.  Perhaps you
>were just describing the converter as a heads up, to let a potential
>buyer understand that the converter is no good and should not be used,
>but comes along with the other stuff.  My concerns with gutted
>converters remain (not this one, if it is not to be used), and I DO
>consider those who use them to be willfully harming society and the
>environment, and thus to be immoral.
>
>David McNeely
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM, W Monk wrote:
>
>>Do you really have to ruin my for sale post with this. First its not
>>illegal
>>to sell a hollowed out cat unless it was described as a functional
>>working
>>cat.  Plus I am not really selling the cat it comes with the rest of
>>the
>>pipes so the person can have the o2 sensor. If you want to get into a
>>debate
>>about morals,cat convertors or what ever is bugging you start another
>>post
>>with another subject line.
>>
>>B.
>>
>>On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>>Do you mean that you are actually offering to SELL an illegal,
>>>hollowed out
>>>catalytic converter?  Don't even think about it.  The converter is on
>>>the
>>>vehicle for really good reasons, and it is immoral as well as illegal
>>>to
>>>operate a vehicle without a functional one.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, W Monk wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mostly complete exhaust only parts not new are the cat (its been
>>>>hollowed
>>>>out but has new o2 installed) and the cast iron elbow
>>>>that was in perfect shape.