Very well said Don and Cave. I will add no yalping toy dogs either. I have that at home with my neighbor. Would you beleive she raises 8 little dogs and kepts them outside. So when a cat comes walking by, it's hours of that yelping. Sorry, it keeped me up last night. If I didn't here two of my own dogs, "big ones" and only bark if more than a cat comes around. I have to write a complaint first, then the calls will be active upon. Sucks at 3, 4 am.. Trying to keep peace with the neighbors.

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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:33:08 AM
Subject: Re: Gen Set

My sentiments.� And if one is in a place where others are not around,
there are still compelling reasons to practice quiet, unobtrusive
camping -- like don't disturb the fauna, enjoy the stillness, listen to
the creek burble (which is better than radio for sure).� After all,
didn't you go camping to be immersed in nature?� There are televisions,
computers, and bright lights at home.� I have the same feelings for
those guys who pull into the campsite and crank their stereo up as I do
for the guys with the generators and the bright lights, too.� My '91
Vanagon GL Campmobile provides more city, creature comforts than I ever
thought I'd want when camping, but they are comforts that don't intrude
on others enjoyment.� No generator, no loud music, no bright lights.

David McNeely

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Don Hanson wrote:

> I, too, think that generators are really bad when camping.� Why
> someone
> would assume that other people within earshot of their generator noise
> are
> not being constantly bothered by that irritating noise has always
> puzzled
> me.� Running a generator in a quiet public environment is very
> selfish.� They make noise. Just for YOU.� They aren't really
> necessary.
>� If decide you simply must have electrical devices in use,� quiet
> power is
> fair to other's who happen to have you camped near them.� Nobody
> should be
> forced to listen to generator noise when their neighbors decide to Zap
> some
> popcorn and watch TV or whatever .
>� � There are plenty of� more considerate ways to provide yourself with
> electrical power if you simply must have it.� Generators really belong
> in
> environments where their noise is going to be drowned out..Job sites,
> Race
> tracks, Football stadium parking lots, Off Road vehicle parks, etc.
> Even
> the quietest tiny little gen-set.. Noisy and very similar to a sonic
> toothache...nagging, like a drippy faucet...
>� Go solar, wind, battery, please!
>� Don Hanson
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:35 AM, B Feddish� wrote:
>
>>>> Has anyone ever installed a small generator on board.
>> Size,fuel,location
>> noise? I am considering doing this if it can be done safely. I think
>> it
>> would eliminate the stress of battery/power management.Any thoughts
>> would
>> be
>> appreciated.� >
>> I have not heard of anyone installing one on board in a vanagon. Not
>> sure
>> where you'd put it.. Those Vanagon owners that I have seen with
>> generators
>> (very few) have used a small Honda one outside.� They are pretty
>> quite and
>> reliable.
>>
>> That being said I really can't stand the sound of a generator at a
>> campsite
>> no matter how quiet. I think your money is better spent on a 150 watt
>> or
>> more solar panel. That should suffice for almost any electrical need
>> you
>> could have in your Vanagon except possibly a space heater and in that
>> event
>> you should get a propane furnace.
>>
>> Bryan
>>