Well, that vehicle is not my cup o'tea, either.  When I said I'd go for 
it, I meant a camper something like the one I have but with modern 
vehicle safety and reliability features-- not a monster off road 
vehicle.  It looks to me like an environmental disaster that's already 
happened.  Real men don't drive hummers.  If it requires more than 4 
cylinders to propel it, it shouldn't be built.  I make exception for 
legitimate transport or work purposes, of course.  But my personal 
recreation?  Uh-uh.  Only so much Mother Earth exists -- I'll take only 
my share.

And Bonnie has expressed the same disdain for traveling potties that I 
have.  Now, the sort of thing that the NPS requires on Grand Canyon 
floats?  Ok in that sort of situation, where needed.  That's essentially 
the same as Mr. Squirrel uses for his morning gnarlies.

David

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM, John Anderson wrote:

> David, you can, you just don't want to pay for it.  Sportsmobile still 
> making nice conversions on Quigley 4x4's, usually Fords.  Reliable (as 
> any Ford is), brand new, but full kit 4wd will perhaps make even a 
> GoWesty syncro van price look reasonable.
>  
> http://www.sportsmobile.com/4_4x4sports.html
>  
> They hold value as well, just like a syncro.  I won't get into an 
> arguement about which is better finished and equipped to offroad on 
> this list, I've owned 3 full kit syncro's, I have a buddy with a 
> recent sportsmobile, if I had $60k to drop on one today, I'd be hard 
> pressed to decide.  Oh and they probably have a little 2.8kW Onan on 
> them I'd bet, course real men don't need em and all as you've said, 
> but their wives often do.
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dave Mcneely  wrote:
>
>
>
> The thing I find silly about the VW camper is the inordinate amount of
> work I've had to do to get it ship shape and reliable, and to keep it
> that way.  If I could get a late model van with the same amenities, 
> I'd
> sure go for it.  But no RV.