

| Subject: | Re: Why not CIS? RE: Images of South African van on website |
| From: | Edward |
| Date: | Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:05:11 -0500 |
I will take up for CIS and CIS-E here. Owned and worked on several A1 chassis VWs and autocrossed them as well. I remember one had issues with the auxiliary air regulator. The thing that adjusts the idle speed as the engine warms up. I took the thing apart and fixed it. I think I had one failed fuel pump also. What really sold me was the 85 GTi I owned from about 90k to 215k miles. That was CIS-E, which was the purely mechanical system with electronic influences for more subtle control. Never a lick of trouble out of that fuel system in the time I owned it. Just change the filters regularly I guess. Back then, the racers hated "digifart" and reported that the stock CIS system was good for engines modified up to about 250HP. The stock engines were in the 75-100HP range back then. I remember once in my stock 79 Scirocco wanting to hold 2nd gear a little longer before a turn. When I finally turned in and looked at the tach, the needle was off the scale and down into the fuel gauge. Durable little engine... Edward At 08:57 PM 11/16/2009, pdooley wrote: >CIS is pretty robust. Works great up until you get junk past the filter and >into the system. >The control pressure regulator clogs, injectors start spraying weird >patterns, and God help you if the fuel distributor fouls. >Then you have things like the accumulator that leak fuel underneath the >vehicle and those #@$%& copper crush washers everywhere, pretty much >one-time use only. >However the CIS fuel pumps hold up well; I had a 22 yr old Scirocco with the >original. > >If you ever look closely at a CIS system you can really appreciate the >precision machine work and quality of materials. The airflow housing is a >beautiful thing with glassy smooth pivot bearings, machined aluminum funnel >and anodized counter weight. The fuel distributor flow orifices are laser >cut and the plunger is such a precise fit that pressurized fuel doesn't leak >out even with no rubber seals or o-rings. > >CIS is kinda like the last steam powered locomotives- brilliant masterpieces >of mechanical ingenuity, though hopelessly complex and cumbersome. > >Some would argue modern EFI is hopelessly complex, but not from a mechanical >point of view. And with OBD, a simple scan will find most problems and let >you know about it in plain English. >Diagnosing CIS problems OTOH takes a little skill. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >neil n >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:40 PM >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >I can't help but wonder if CIS hasn't gotten a poorly deserved bad rap >over the years. To me it seems like a simple system (CIS, not CIS-E) >that would be quite reliable. Mind you, a rebuilt fuel distributor >looks pricey, (are they even available new?) but I bet it takes quite >a few miles before that part fails. And if one keeps an eye on those >high pressure fuel lines, why not keep it? > >Neil. > > >-- >Neil Nicholson '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" > >http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > >http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engine >s
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