

| Subject: | Re: Check my head? |
| From: | Scott Daniel - Turbovans |
| Date: | Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:18:05 -0800 |
If you'd rather not turn it into a big deal.... and just get that stud problem.. and access is an issue , you could just lower the engine down a good ways..... it'll drop 10 inches at the rear easily - then you could get a good straight shot at the broken stud. Perhaps that is one option you didn't consider. the $ numbers sound highish to me.. what's their labor rate ? R & R heads...what would book time on that be ? , let's see......up to 8 I suppose. let's say it's 7.6 hours. I can imagine a labor guide saying that, plus 'add .6 hours for AC" so 8 for an easy number to work with. At 80 per hour that's only 640. so ....yeah, I'd say 750 was on the high side. and I would BE DARN GLAD to get 640 for R & R ing heads ! I'd be rich if I got paid that much every time. and I do find I spend maybe 9 hours doing two heads, and I'm restoring things and fixing all the little 'not rights' as I go. $ 300 at the machine shop does not sound so bad. My machine shop does grinds or replaces the valves , might ream the guides some .... for well under that, but that's kinda a wholesale price, and it's 'well freshened up' and perhaps not 'totally rebuilt'. If they are figuring new guides , possibly new exh. valves ...I like their number better. Slightly leaking valves don't seem to hurt much....like that 118 compression reading might indicate. I commonly find one valve of 8 on waterboxer engines leaking a little. But they are giving you a choice of spending a grand, or doing nothing. since things are not actuall broken yet, as you feel, ... consider just lowering the engine for straight access to stud drilling. I call drilling those out doing 'dental work.' It not hard or bad if you are patient, have several good sharp drill bits ( I avoid cobalt drill bits ...they bite well, but they are more brittle and can break off ....you sure don't want a broken off drill bit piece stuck in there ! ) ..... but it's fun and rewarding to do really right. I manage to drill them pretty much right on center ...which traditionally was 'the hard part' once upon a time. Oh shoot........so IF doing off the engine head work ,......how about just doing the one head with the broken stud. I will take one head off with engine in the van anytime that's the keep-it-simple thing to do. It doesn't have to be a $ 1,000 repair. Scott www.turbovans.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron" <a.robinson.lists@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Check my head? I just wanted to check in and see what people here would recommend. Last week I wrote about some rusty exhaust issues and was going to replace the exhaust while replacing a waterpump. Well, that all went fairly well. I ended up getting all exhaust studs out - except for one. I don't think it's drillable in the engine and would require the head to be removed (according to the local shop). The engine has the exhaust removed, the cooling system drained, a new waterpump on, new thermostat, etc. So, with a head that has to come off, and an engine that has lower compression (between 118 and 130) I wonder if this wouldn't be a great time to just have the heads rebuilt. I'd be having a shop do it as I'm sure that I would end up with a mess and don't have the time or experience to do it. The quote to do both heads is $750 + labor drilling out the stud + ~$300 for the machining of the heads + misc. parts. Is the $750 in labor an appropriate # for just removing and replacing the heads? I'm not really excited about spending a lot of money when the headgaskets aren't leaking, the engine runs well - just a little tired. So, If anyone has any opinions, ideas, or alternatives, I would love to hear what you think. Thanks! Aaron
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