darn !
how did I miss that 91 info...
my brain ....I need to do something !

my apologies for wasting anyone's time there. 
Scott 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin Plichta 
  To: scottdaniel@turbovans.com ; vw vanagon 
  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:36 PM
  Subject: RE: Starter Help!

  Thanks for the reply, I will work on a remote starter that I can do. I did say it was a 91, but it is stock 2.1 and manual 2 wheel.
  Thanks again
  Kevin  

  > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:21:05 -0800
  > From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM
  > Subject: Re: Starter Help!
  > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
  > 
  > a cheater trick and diagnostic thing -
  > use a Remote Stater Swtich ..
  > connected to battery hot lead on the starter ( I often use the nut on the
  > alternator , same thing ) and the 'starter trigger terminal' on the starter
  > solenoid,
  > and making sure it's in neutral and things are safe,
  > energize the starter with your Remote Starter swtich.
  > 
  > if it doesn't go.
  > whack the starter on the side with a hammer.
  > If that makes it operate .......
  > so far, every time........that's been a bad starter.
  > 
  > Do also consider the electrical part of your ignition switch ...those can be
  > weak for sure.
  > I simply could not fix vanagons without a Remote Starter Swtich ...
  > perfect for self-rescue, and diagnosis etc.
  > 
  > you could also say year and model and version of vanagon.
  > I can't tell if you are talking about an air-cooled one,
  > a diesel, a 1.9 waterboxer, a 2.1 waterboxer, or one with an automatic
  > transmission., or a syncro ...etc.
  > 
  > that info is always useful.
  > 
  > replacing that cable from solenoid to starter motor.
  > I'm a little suspecios of that 'repair' myself.
  > that sounds like 'extending the life' of a pretty tired starter in the first
  > place.
  > 
  > 'not normally done' is what I'd say.
  > those Bosch starters are so good....and last for so many years... ( I don't
  > even think about messing with a non-bosch rebuilt used starter if it's weak
  > , I just get a good Bosch Rebuilt one. )
  > 
  > When one finally does give out ...
  > I only get Bosch Rebuilt Starters ..........and then it's good for a long,
  > long time.
  > 'Some' of the versions of vanaogn I mentioned above use a starter bushing in
  > the transalxe, some do not.
  > another reason why 'make, modle, and year' information is needed to comment
  > intelligently.
  > 
  > Scott
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Kevin Plichta" <plichtakevin@HOTMAIL.COM>
  > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
  > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:35 PM
  > Subject: Starter Help!
  > 
  > 
  > My 91 starter not turning. I here the fuel pump come on, there is 12v at the
  > main starter lead and less than 4 at the solenoid when turning the key. When
  > I disconnect the solenoid lead and turn the key there 12v. So under a load
  > is when I think is the problem but what ?? I had the starter tested at a
  > shop and worked. Some history, this past fall the short braided cable
  > between the starter and solenoid was replaced at a shop.
  > Thanks again for your wisdom!!
  > Kevin Plichta
  > 
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