

| Subject: | Re: VC fluid - take a chance on this |
| From: | Scott Daniel - Turbovans |
| Date: | Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:07:31 -0700 |
hi, the device you describe would be a form of 'centrifugal clutch' ... a very old concept for sure . basically ...weights swing out with rotational speed ... usually with some 'give' so there is slip action before full rpm is attained...then at some level it gets 100 % engagement. Citroen 2CV car has such a device. That's a slightly different requirement that what a syncro needs for the front drive. in modern cars it's done electronically ... wheel speed sensors sending input to an ECU , then solenoids or whatever controlling clutch plates in the differentials, etc. . Many variations and getting more evolved all the time. Worth of study at Wikipedia and so forth. for VW to pull off a VC with no electronics was really quite brilliant, especially for the era. Heck, we should be glad there's no Check Engine Light associated with VC performance on our syncro vans ! now if someone would just come up with a simple way to dial in 'more' ......or 'less' ... more, or less drive to the front, like driver-controlled twist knob that can be adjusted on the fly, and without it being crazy complicated either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Re: VC fluid - take a chance on this > I've not driven a syncro, nor have I ever seen a VC nor studied how it > works - BUT - this is very interesting to me, because there are a lot of > other application for VC like operations to drive different pieces of > machinery. That given - I wonder if there aren't other options that > might one day find their into the syncros somehow as a possible > replacement for NLA syncro VC's. Example - there was a guy named Molt > Taylor who designed and built a small, two-seater airplane he called the > Mini-Imp. It had a VW engine up front driving a shaft that went between > the pilot and passenger straight back through the fuselage to the tail > cone where it engaged a type of lockup box of sorts but with no gears - > to drive a pusher-type propeller mounter on the very tail end of the > little airplane. That box responded to torque pressure and the harder > the engine ran, the greater the locking force in the box to drive the > propeller. When the engine was at idle - the internals of the box > automatically disengaged and the propeller didn't turn, even though the > engine was running. There were no gears in that box. It was filled with > very small, extremely hard ball bearings. As the drive shaft speed > accelerated, the centrifugal forces would load those balls, pressing > them hard enough to cause them to lock tight as if it were one solid > piece of steel, yet when the drive shaft turned slower the balls > loosened and there was slippage that could occur between the drive side > and the propeller side within the box. There were absolutely no gears > inside of this thing, and no fluids to worry with. The box was not some > special design that Molt Taylor built, but a type that was apparently > readily available in industry 30-40 years ago. > > My suggestion here is that as Vanagon owners and Syncro Owners drive > into the sunset years of their machines, wondering about parts and VC's > in particular - such alternatives should be looked at sooner rather than > later, in order to have a chance to ponder, play, experiment with the > possibilities, so the sunset years - which can be the best - last a lot > longer. > > My $0.02 this day beautiful day before Easter. > > John Rodgers > Clayartist and Moldmaker > 88'GL VW Bus Driver > Chelsea, AL > Http://www.moldhaus.com > > > > Alistair Bell wrote: >> This is kinda funny... >> >> German company selling replacement siloxane for VC refilling (they >> also sell gaskets/seals for vc). Not much info on the specs of the >> siloxane, something one would like to see. >> ( And please, lets not get into the problems of refilling the vc >> unless you have successfully done it :)) >> >> >> But there is a pic of the bottle here: >> >> http://www.dieselkontor.de/product_info.php?products_id=3022 >> >> 69.95 euros for that bottle, which is labelled 16 oz. >> >> Now go look up the name on the label , Majestic Mountain Sage: >> >> http://www.thesage.com/catalog/products/Dimethicone.html >> >> price is $7.20 for same bottle. And only $43 a gal. >> >> funny old world eh? >> >> alistair >> '86 syncro 7 passenger >> '82 westy, diesel converted to gas in '94 >> http://www.members.shaw.ca/albell/ >> http://shufti.wordpress.com >> >>
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