You will learn who to avoid in time, Infact after a while you will learn whos emails not to open, But yes there are a bunch of people on this list who must be very board and lonely. Its kinda sad, But I will pray for them. They are sick and dont know it.. But don't walk away�because there�are people on here with great advice. 
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�
Danny C.
Portland, Oregon
'84 Westy (Vanny)
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--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Jay lefstein <jleftbrane@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

From: Jay lefstein <jleftbrane@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: It's Phinally Phriedae, and Drug prohibition created the drug lords. (was (ironically) Re: HIJACKED - update)
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 6:44 AM

I signed up for this mailing lis last weekend, so far it seems like a
bunch of bored people venting..
this is about vanagons right?
On 15-Apr-10, at 11:49 PM, Mike South wrote:

> The subject says it all.� If you (you collectively/rhetorically,
> like "one",
> not singling anyone out) are one of the people that thinks we need
> to do a
> better job of cracking down on drug production and use, you are one
> of the
> people that is creating the problems Mexico is facing now.� There's
> just no
> way to avoid responsibility--you _are_ who's doing that to Mexico.
>
> It's not hard to grow marijuana.� There's no reason for it to be
> expensive.
> Make it illegal, and, therefore, (artificially) scarce--the price
> goes up,
> and the invisible hand of the market grabs every nearby person of
> questionable ethics that would like to get rich quick and shoves
> them into
> that space.
>
> You think you're doing a good thing by "taking drugs off the
> streets".� The
> drugs are still there, and instead of removin drugs, you've added
> thugs.� It
> would be some amiable pothead or spaced out Timothy Leary disciple
> selling
> or sharing, and what you have instead is a completely morality-free,
> violent-as-he-needs-to-be person who can make a killing if he can
> get enough
> kids hooked, because you provided him an incentive to do so.
>
> Keeping drugs illegal is not a conservative position, if by
> conservative you
> mean respectful of the Constitution.� It is not a compassionate
> position, if
> by compassionate you mean actually helping people.� It is a position
> of
> people who either ignorantly or deliberately believe it is ok to
> force their
> will on other people who have done nothing to them.
>
> A plant grows in the ground.� You take a gun, put it to another
> man's head,
> and say "smoke that and I'll lock you up".� How hard is it to see
> the abject
> immorality of that position?� Seriously.
>
> Yours in raving libertarianism,
>
> mike
>
> PS� No, I'm not a user, nor do I even use alcohol or tobacco.� I
> just know
> where my rights end and yours begin.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Mexico is full of great people.� It's government is one of the most
>> corrupt
>> in the world, so that despite having a plethora of rich natural
>> resources,
>> many people are dirt poor.� I've enjoyed all the time I've spent
>> there,
>> including field trips that I took students on deep into the
>> country.� Met
>> some of the most generous, most friendly, and most fun loving
>> people I've
>> ever known anywhere.� Never ran into the bozo criminals who have
>> become more
>> prevalent in recent years.� And why have they become more
>> prevalent?� The
>> drug lords control the government, the police, much of the
>> countryside.� Why
>> are the drug lords so powerful?� U.S. drug money.� If we want
>> Mexico to
>> become a functional country again, all we have to do is control
>> drug traffic
>> in this country.� No market, no industry.� Something for some to
>> think
>> about.
>>
>> DMc
>>
>> ---- pdooley <psdooley@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
>>> Apparently bandits down there also use logs or debris to block the
>>> road.
>>> Basically anything to get you to stop.
>>> The book I'm reading tells a story of a traveling salesman who was
>>> robbed
>> by
>>> a man with an AK-47 riding on a donkey..
>>> Interesting place, that Mexico.� I love to read about it but would
>>> never
>> go
>>> there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:52 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: HIJACKED - update
>>>
>>> I hope at the minimum, people in Mexico will realize now ...
>>> if they see vehicles parked by the side of the road in any kind of
>>> remote
>>> area like this ..
>>> turn around and head back the other way pronto !
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Frank Condelli" <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:06 AM
>>> Subject: HIJACKED - update
>>>
>>>
>>>> Folks, here are links to two articles published in� the Canadian
>>>> press
>>>> about the two couples that were hijacked in Mexico.
>>>>
>>>> _http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html_
>>>> (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/11/13548401.html)
>>>>
>>>> _http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html_
>>>> (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/04/07/pf-13504646.html)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please note� that I will be away from my business travelling in
>>>> the USA
>>>> and
>>>> Mexico from� November 18, 2009 until April 30, 2010.� Parts
>>>> orders will
>> be
>>>> processed� although not as quickly as usual.� I will always be
>> available
>>>> by
>>>> E-mail.� If you phone, your call will be addressed by Greg T. Brown
>> here
>>>> and he will either call you back or advise you to contact me
>>>> directly
>> by
>>>> E-mail.� See my _www.frankcondelli.com_ (http://www.frankcondelli.com/
>> )
>>>> website for complete details.� Travel Blog at
>> _www.westfaliatravels.com_
>>>> (http://www.westfaliatravels.com/)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank� Condelli
>>>>
>>>> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
>>>> '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (_Collection for sale_
>>>> (http://frankcondelli.com/trainsal.htm) )
>>>> _Frank Condelli &� Associates_ (http://frankcondelli.com/busindex.html
>>>> )
>> -
>>>> Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
>>>> _Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust� Systems_
>>>> (http://frankcondelli.com/exhaust.htm)
>>>> _BusFusion_ (http://www.busfusion.com/)� a VW� Camper camping
>>>> event,
>>>> Almonte, ON, June 10 ~ 13,� 2010
>>
>> --
>> David McNeely
>>