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Subject:Re: catalytic heaters in campers
From:Jim Felder
Date:Mon, 3 May 2010 19:12:42 -0500

Here you go. Let me know if you want installation details.

<http://www.rvstuffusa.com/wave3catalyticsafetyheaterbyolympian.html>

Jim

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:12 PM,  <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> Jim, where is this marvel described, available? �Thanks, David
>
> ---- Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> This has been commented on so many times...
>>
>> Not all calalytic heaters are created equal. Some consume much more
>> oxygen per BTU than others. Those that do not only compete more with
>> the oxygen that the westy's occupants need, but they leave a lot more
>> sweat on the flocked ceiling and everywhere else.
>>
>> Some heaters are made to stand on spindly little legs and can get
>> kicked over. Others are made to mount permanently to a chosen
>> location. Those can't get kicked over, and since everyone always knows
>> exactly where will be located at all times, it becomes easier to avoid
>> getting something too close to them.
>>
>> The Olympian Wave III heater embodies the best of these
>> characteristics, IMHO. It is the size of a sheet of paper and less
>> than two inches thick. It can be mounted on the bulkhead behind the
>> passenger seat, facing into the cabin (to name one popular location).
>> It can be permanently plumbed with its own shutoff valve at the tank,
>> as mine is.
>>
>> It doesn't produce much condensation. It doesn't use much oxygen. With
>> the top up, the breathing of the stock canvas provides plenty of
>> oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange. With the top down, cracking a window
>> to achieve the specified four square inches has never been a problem.
>>
>> Just one thing... don't allow a sleeping bag to flop over on it, or
>> the convection from the heat will fill a westy interior with goose
>> down in five seconds. Don't ask me how I know.
>>
>> Oh, and unlike the furnace, it uses no electricity.
>>
>> For those with the money, the battery, and the space to give up, one
>> of those plumbed-to-the-outside furnaces sounds great. But my little
>> Olympian sure is an efficient little appliance.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>> > I think that because of the limited space, the only really safe solution is a heater that vents to the outside world or a electric heater that runs off site power.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > www.stir-plate.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Dave Mcneely
>> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02 PM
>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> > Subject: Re: catalytic heaters in campers
>> >
>> > Even if the oxygen depletion, CO problems were non-existent, how do you use a heater in a VW camper safely so far as the fire issue is concerned? �Where can you put it and provide the necessary clearance and be sure you won't get up in the night and bump it? �Seems a pretty risky device to me. �DMc
>> >
>> > ---- W Monk <billmonk@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> >> Another huge issue with the Mr.Heaters is the amount of moisture that
>> >> they generate. Use one for awhile and see how much more condensation
>> >> collects on your windows and the flocking on the underside of your
>> >> poptop. I still say that my propex even though expensive was the best
>> >> comfort item we have purchased so far. I did install an Atwood furnace
>> >> into a friends Vanagon and it was less than half the price of a
>> >> propex. Installation was more complicated,draws more 12v power,but the
>> >> btu's were double if not triple what my propex is. Can't recall the
>> >> exact numbers right now. I will say that I tried a Mr. Heater before
>> >> the propex but like I mentioned above the moisture was overbearing and
>> >> I would not sleep with it lit. I have seen more than one "safety"
>> >> sensor fail on various products costing thousands more than the
>> >> Mr.Heater. Just don't trust it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> B
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Geo <ahwahneevw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 5/3/10, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> > > The current versions of Mr. Heater have an oxygen sensor that
>> >> > > shuts the device down before the mixture changes enough to
>> >> > > generate significant amounts of CO...
>> >> >
>> >> > I have heard that the safety feature can be fooled by the reduced O2
>> >> > encountered above 9000' or so. �Anyone had experience with this?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, I do often camp above 9K' and, of course, that is just when a
>> >> > heater is most welcome.
>> >> >
>> >> > Currently I use the simple Coleman catalytic with the battery
>> >> > operated fan but only when I am up & awake and (as noted) the Westy
>> >> > is leaky plus easy top venting thru the roof vent.
>> >> >
>> >> > Geo
>> >> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > David McNeely
>> >
>
> --
> David McNeely
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