

| Subject: | Re: catalytic heaters in campers |
| From: | Karl Ploessl |
| Date: | Mon, 3 May 2010 20:33:20 -0400 |
just don't buy from that site if you want to save some $$. Checkout amazo:; http://www.amazon.com/Camco-57331-Olympian-Wave-3-Catalytic/dp/B000BUV1RK/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1272933039&sr=8-1-fkmr0 $198 vs $288 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: > Here you go. Let me know if you want installation details. > > <http://www.rvstuffusa.com/wave3catalyticsafetyheaterbyolympian.html> > > Jim > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:12 PM, �<mcneely4@cox.net> wrote: >> Jim, where is this marvel described, available? �Thanks, David >> >> ---- Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> This has been commented on so many times... >>> >>> Not all calalytic heaters are created equal. Some consume much more >>> oxygen per BTU than others. Those that do not only compete more with >>> the oxygen that the westy's occupants need, but they leave a lot more >>> sweat on the flocked ceiling and everywhere else. >>> >>> Some heaters are made to stand on spindly little legs and can get >>> kicked over. Others are made to mount permanently to a chosen >>> location. Those can't get kicked over, and since everyone always knows >>> exactly where will be located at all times, it becomes easier to avoid >>> getting something too close to them. >>> >>> The Olympian Wave III heater embodies the best of these >>> characteristics, IMHO. It is the size of a sheet of paper and less >>> than two inches thick. It can be mounted on the bulkhead behind the >>> passenger seat, facing into the cabin (to name one popular location). >>> It can be permanently plumbed with its own shutoff valve at the tank, >>> as mine is. >>> >>> It doesn't produce much condensation. It doesn't use much oxygen. With >>> the top up, the breathing of the stock canvas provides plenty of >>> oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange. With the top down, cracking a window >>> to achieve the specified four square inches has never been a problem. >>> >>> Just one thing... don't allow a sleeping bag to flop over on it, or >>> the convection from the heat will fill a westy interior with goose >>> down in five seconds. Don't ask me how I know. >>> >>> Oh, and unlike the furnace, it uses no electricity. >>> >>> For those with the money, the battery, and the space to give up, one >>> of those plumbed-to-the-outside furnaces sounds great. But my little >>> Olympian sure is an efficient little appliance. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote: >>> > I think that because of the limited space, the only really safe solution is a heater that vents to the outside world or a electric heater that runs off site power. >>> > >>> > Tom >>> > www.stir-plate.com >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Dave Mcneely >>> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02 PM >>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> > Subject: Re: catalytic heaters in campers >>> > >>> > Even if the oxygen depletion, CO problems were non-existent, how do you use a heater in a VW camper safely so far as the fire issue is concerned? �Where can you put it and provide the necessary clearance and be sure you won't get up in the night and bump it? �Seems a pretty risky device to me. �DMc >>> > >>> > ---- W Monk <billmonk@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> >> Another huge issue with the Mr.Heaters is the amount of moisture that >>> >> they generate. Use one for awhile and see how much more condensation >>> >> collects on your windows and the flocking on the underside of your >>> >> poptop. I still say that my propex even though expensive was the best >>> >> comfort item we have purchased so far. I did install an Atwood furnace >>> >> into a friends Vanagon and it was less than half the price of a >>> >> propex. Installation was more complicated,draws more 12v power,but the >>> >> btu's were double if not triple what my propex is. Can't recall the >>> >> exact numbers right now. I will say that I tried a Mr. Heater before >>> >> the propex but like I mentioned above the moisture was overbearing and >>> >> I would not sleep with it lit. I have seen more than one "safety" >>> >> sensor fail on various products costing thousands more than the >>> >> Mr.Heater. Just don't trust it. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> B >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Geo <ahwahneevw@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > On 5/3/10, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote: >>> >> > > The current versions of Mr. Heater have an oxygen sensor that >>> >> > > shuts the device down before the mixture changes enough to >>> >> > > generate significant amounts of CO... >>> >> > >>> >> > I have heard that the safety feature can be fooled by the reduced O2 >>> >> > encountered above 9000' or so. �Anyone had experience with this? >>> >> > >>> >> > Yes, I do often camp above 9K' and, of course, that is just when a >>> >> > heater is most welcome. >>> >> > >>> >> > Currently I use the simple Coleman catalytic with the battery >>> >> > operated fan but only when I am up & awake and (as noted) the Westy >>> >> > is leaky plus easy top venting thru the roof vent. >>> >> > >>> >> > Geo >>> >> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > David McNeely >>> > >> >> -- >> David McNeely >> > -- Karl 1981 VW Westy "Jenny" 2000 VW Jetta GLS VR6 Wilmington, DE
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