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Subject:Re: catalytic heaters in campers
From:Jim Felder
Date:Mon, 3 May 2010 19:36:27 -0500

Yes, I meant to mention that. I got mine for around 215 on ebay about
five years ago. There's no reason to pay the $300 as Karl says.

Jim

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@gmail.com> wrote:
> just don't buy from that site if you want to save some $$. Checkout amazo:;
> http://www.amazon.com/Camco-57331-Olympian-Wave-3-Catalytic/dp/B000BUV1RK/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1272933039&sr=8-1-fkmr0
> $198 vs $288
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here you go. Let me know if you want installation details.
>>
>> <http://www.rvstuffusa.com/wave3catalyticsafetyheaterbyolympian.html>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:12 PM, �<mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Jim, where is this marvel described, available? �Thanks, David
>>>
>>> ---- Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> This has been commented on so many times...
>>>>
>>>> Not all calalytic heaters are created equal. Some consume much more
>>>> oxygen per BTU than others. Those that do not only compete more with
>>>> the oxygen that the westy's occupants need, but they leave a lot more
>>>> sweat on the flocked ceiling and everywhere else.
>>>>
>>>> Some heaters are made to stand on spindly little legs and can get
>>>> kicked over. Others are made to mount permanently to a chosen
>>>> location. Those can't get kicked over, and since everyone always knows
>>>> exactly where will be located at all times, it becomes easier to avoid
>>>> getting something too close to them.
>>>>
>>>> The Olympian Wave III heater embodies the best of these
>>>> characteristics, IMHO. It is the size of a sheet of paper and less
>>>> than two inches thick. It can be mounted on the bulkhead behind the
>>>> passenger seat, facing into the cabin (to name one popular location).
>>>> It can be permanently plumbed with its own shutoff valve at the tank,
>>>> as mine is.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't produce much condensation. It doesn't use much oxygen. With
>>>> the top up, the breathing of the stock canvas provides plenty of
>>>> oxygen-carbon dioxide exchange. With the top down, cracking a window
>>>> to achieve the specified four square inches has never been a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Just one thing... don't allow a sleeping bag to flop over on it, or
>>>> the convection from the heat will fill a westy interior with goose
>>>> down in five seconds. Don't ask me how I know.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and unlike the furnace, it uses no electricity.
>>>>
>>>> For those with the money, the battery, and the space to give up, one
>>>> of those plumbed-to-the-outside furnaces sounds great. But my little
>>>> Olympian sure is an efficient little appliance.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>>>> > I think that because of the limited space, the only really safe solution is a heater that vents to the outside world or a electric heater that runs off site power.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tom
>>>> > www.stir-plate.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Dave Mcneely
>>>> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02 PM
>>>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> > Subject: Re: catalytic heaters in campers
>>>> >
>>>> > Even if the oxygen depletion, CO problems were non-existent, how do you use a heater in a VW camper safely so far as the fire issue is concerned? �Where can you put it and provide the necessary clearance and be sure you won't get up in the night and bump it? �Seems a pretty risky device to me. �DMc
>>>> >
>>>> > ---- W Monk <billmonk@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> >> Another huge issue with the Mr.Heaters is the amount of moisture that
>>>> >> they generate. Use one for awhile and see how much more condensation
>>>> >> collects on your windows and the flocking on the underside of your
>>>> >> poptop. I still say that my propex even though expensive was the best
>>>> >> comfort item we have purchased so far. I did install an Atwood furnace
>>>> >> into a friends Vanagon and it was less than half the price of a
>>>> >> propex. Installation was more complicated,draws more 12v power,but the
>>>> >> btu's were double if not triple what my propex is. Can't recall the
>>>> >> exact numbers right now. I will say that I tried a Mr. Heater before
>>>> >> the propex but like I mentioned above the moisture was overbearing and
>>>> >> I would not sleep with it lit. I have seen more than one "safety"
>>>> >> sensor fail on various products costing thousands more than the
>>>> >> Mr.Heater. Just don't trust it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> B
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Geo <ahwahneevw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > On 5/3/10, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> >> > > The current versions of Mr. Heater have an oxygen sensor that
>>>> >> > > shuts the device down before the mixture changes enough to
>>>> >> > > generate significant amounts of CO...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I have heard that the safety feature can be fooled by the reduced O2
>>>> >> > encountered above 9000' or so. �Anyone had experience with this?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Yes, I do often camp above 9K' and, of course, that is just when a
>>>> >> > heater is most welcome.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Currently I use the simple Coleman catalytic with the battery
>>>> >> > operated fan but only when I am up & awake and (as noted) the Westy
>>>> >> > is leaky plus easy top venting thru the roof vent.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Geo
>>>> >> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > David McNeely
>>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> David McNeely
>>>
>>
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> --
> Karl
> 1981 VW Westy "Jenny"
> 2000 VW Jetta GLS VR6
> Wilmington, DE
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