---- Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>
> On May 6, 2010, at 4:30 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Haven't seen any Peak phosphate free around hear.  All the Peak I
> > have found lists "corrosion inhibitors," and "proprietary
> > ingredients."  Now what the hell are those?  At $7/gallon for premix
> > one is paying $14/gallon for antifreeze,
>
>
> Last time I bought the blue stuff from a VW dealer it was $16/gallon
> uncut.
>
$28/gallon in February of this year, in OKC.  DMc

> Mr. BZ-  7-8 years ago
>
> >
> > ---- Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> >> On May 6, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> >>
> >>> Scott, what do you use?  The Zerex and Prestone long life stuff
> >>> costs about $12/gallon hereabouts.  A gallon of distilled water is
> >>> less than a buck.  I have seen cheaper (maybe $10/gallon), but only
> >>> Peak and various house brands, none of which list whether or not
> >>> they are phosphate free.
> >>
> >> I have seen Peak 50/50 phosphate free at about $7-8/gallon at a
> >> FLAPS.
> >>
> >> YMMV,
> >>
> >> Mr. BZ
> >>
> >>> How is whatever you are using more convenient?  Now, Prestone sells
> >>> premix at about $10, but then one is paying for half water, which
> >>> seems foolish just to avoid mixing it oneself.  Thanks for all you
> >>> do on the list.  DMc
> >>>
> >>> ---- Scott Daniel  - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> >>>> I haven't see anything to indicate really, that the official
> >>>> phosphate free
> >>>> is any better than the mix I use, is why.
> >>>>
> >>>> plus it's   ( convenient and sometimes less  expensive ) to use
> >>>> conventional
> >>>> high quality anti-frz .
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> >>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:04 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: stainless steel coolant pipes
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why not just use a phosphate-free antifreeze as recommended?  Both
> >>>>> Zerex
> >>>>> and Prestone long-life antifreezes are now phosphate-free, as is
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> original VW stuff if one wants to pay for it.  Corrosion problems
> >>>>> seem,
> >>>>> from all I've read and heard, to be attributed specifically to
> >>>>> phosphate
> >>>>> in the formulation.  VW is certainly not the only multi-metal
> >>>>> system on
> >>>>> the road, either.  DMc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---- Gary Bawden <goldfieldgary@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>>>> This issue keeps coming up - - why not just install a coolant
> >>>>>> filter
> >>>>>> as used on commercial and industrial engines, they contain a
> >>>>>> sacrificial anode (magnesium, I think). Can't hurt, might give a
> >>>>>> feeling of reassurance to those who imagine their coolant
> >>>>>> passages,
> >>>>>> radiators, etc., rotting away mile by mile. :^)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Date:    Thu, 6 May 2010 06:08:21 -0700
> >>>>>>> From:    Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: stainless steel coolant pipes
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Andrew Grebneff <goose1047@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@comcast.net
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> OK, let's think about this in a logical manner.  The original
> >>>>>>>>> 1.9l
> >>>>>>>> Vanagons
> >>>>>>>>> had plain steel pipes.  The piston liners inside the engine
> >>>>>>>>> are cast
> >>>>>>>>> iron
> >>>>>>>>> with steel studs holding the heads on.  Any way you look at it
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> van
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> multi-metal soup.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...hence the head-corrosion problem?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I guess it doesn't really make any difference which antifreeze
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> use, so
> >>>>>>>> long as you actually use the stuff.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>> Andrew Grebneff
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That is exactly why the heads do leak on this era German water-
> >>>>>>> pumper
> >>>>>>> engines..  Heat+ dissimilar metals+a conductive solution to
> >>>>>>> connect it
> >>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>> together=a recipe for corrosion.  The 993 Porsche motors have
> >>>>>>> the same
> >>>>>>> problems as a WBX.  Change away with your antifreeze/coolant
> >>>>>>> mix...your
> >>>>>>> motor is still attacking itself.still it is probably the best
> >>>>>>> thing to
> >>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>> the fresh coolant in there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with installing
> >>>>>>> sacrificial
> >>>>>>> anodes like are used in the marine world?  A couple of small
> >>>>>>> bits of
> >>>>>>> zinc
> >>>>>>> somewhere accessible in the coolant circulation system might
> >>>>>>> mitigate
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> corrosion problems you WBX owners encounter in the head area?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don Hanson
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> David McNeely
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David McNeely
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
>

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