On May 6, 2010, at 5:14 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> ---- Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>
>> On May 6, 2010, at 4:30 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't seen any Peak phosphate free around hear.  All the Peak I
>>> have found lists "corrosion inhibitors," and "proprietary
>>> ingredients."  Now what the hell are those?  At $7/gallon for premix
>>> one is paying $14/gallon for antifreeze,
>>
>>
>> Last time I bought the blue stuff from a VW dealer it was $16/gallon
>> uncut.
>>
> $28/gallon in February of this year, in OKC.  DMc

I knew there was a reason I stopped buying the VW stuff.

Tom

>
>> Mr. BZ-  7-8 years ago
>>
>>>
>>> ---- Tom Buese <tombuese@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>>> On May 6, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Scott, what do you use?  The Zerex and Prestone long life stuff
>>>>> costs about $12/gallon hereabouts.  A gallon of distilled water is
>>>>> less than a buck.  I have seen cheaper (maybe $10/gallon), but
>>>>> only
>>>>> Peak and various house brands, none of which list whether or not
>>>>> they are phosphate free.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen Peak 50/50 phosphate free at about $7-8/gallon at a
>>>> FLAPS.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV,
>>>>
>>>> Mr. BZ
>>>>
>>>>> How is whatever you are using more convenient?  Now, Prestone
>>>>> sells
>>>>> premix at about $10, but then one is paying for half water, which
>>>>> seems foolish just to avoid mixing it oneself.  Thanks for all you
>>>>> do on the list.  DMc
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Scott Daniel  - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't see anything to indicate really, that the official
>>>>>> phosphate free
>>>>>> is any better than the mix I use, is why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plus it's   ( convenient and sometimes less  expensive ) to use
>>>>>> conventional
>>>>>> high quality anti-frz .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
>>>>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: stainless steel coolant pipes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not just use a phosphate-free antifreeze as recommended?
>>>>>>> Both
>>>>>>> Zerex
>>>>>>> and Prestone long-life antifreezes are now phosphate-free, as is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> original VW stuff if one wants to pay for it.  Corrosion
>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>> seem,
>>>>>>> from all I've read and heard, to be attributed specifically to
>>>>>>> phosphate
>>>>>>> in the formulation.  VW is certainly not the only multi-metal
>>>>>>> system on
>>>>>>> the road, either.  DMc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---- Gary Bawden <goldfieldgary@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This issue keeps coming up - - why not just install a coolant
>>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>>> as used on commercial and industrial engines, they contain a
>>>>>>>> sacrificial anode (magnesium, I think). Can't hurt, might
>>>>>>>> give a
>>>>>>>> feeling of reassurance to those who imagine their coolant
>>>>>>>> passages,
>>>>>>>> radiators, etc., rotting away mile by mile. :^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date:    Thu, 6 May 2010 06:08:21 -0700
>>>>>>>>> From:    Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: stainless steel coolant pipes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Andrew Grebneff <goose1047@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, let's think about this in a logical manner.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> original
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.9l
>>>>>>>>>> Vanagons
>>>>>>>>>>> had plain steel pipes.  The piston liners inside the engine
>>>>>>>>>>> are cast
>>>>>>>>>>> iron
>>>>>>>>>>> with steel studs holding the heads on.  Any way you look
>>>>>>>>>>> at it
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> van
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> multi-metal soup.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...hence the head-corrosion problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess it doesn't really make any difference which
>>>>>>>>>> antifreeze
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> use, so
>>>>>>>>>> long as you actually use the stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Grebneff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why the heads do leak on this era German
>>>>>>>>> water-
>>>>>>>>> pumper
>>>>>>>>> engines..  Heat+ dissimilar metals+a conductive solution to
>>>>>>>>> connect it
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> together=a recipe for corrosion.  The 993 Porsche motors have
>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>> problems as a WBX.  Change away with your antifreeze/coolant
>>>>>>>>> mix...your
>>>>>>>>> motor is still attacking itself.still it is probably the best
>>>>>>>>> thing to
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> the fresh coolant in there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if anyone has ever experimented with installing
>>>>>>>>> sacrificial
>>>>>>>>> anodes like are used in the marine world?  A couple of small
>>>>>>>>> bits of
>>>>>>>>> zinc
>>>>>>>>> somewhere accessible in the coolant circulation system might
>>>>>>>>> mitigate
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> corrosion problems you WBX owners encounter in the head area?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don Hanson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> David McNeely
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David McNeely
>>>
>>> --
>>> David McNeely
>>
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> David McNeely