

| Subject: | Re: All engines have issues... |
| From: | Edward Maglott |
| Date: | Sun, 23 May 2010 17:12:23 -0400 |
All the US I4 VWs went to CIS fuel injection in 1977. There was a brief period in the early 80s where a few Golfs had carbs again. I think as a special "fuel economy" model. I had an 85 GTI for many years which I loved. I got it with 90k miles on it and sold it with 215k on it. That is the 1.8l 8 valve 10:1 compression ratio engine with knock sensor and even had oil squirters for the pistons. CIS-E fuel injection. I don't' think it had EGR. When I sold it, it had all the original FI parts. The guy who bought it from me spent a lot of money throwing parts at it to solve some FI problems that developed. I never heard what it turned out to be. I ran 87 octane in it almost all the time and it was fine. On a hot day leaving a light I would some times hear about 2 or 3 pings and then it would back the timing off. I autocrossed (stock class) the car the whole time I had it, probably 8-10 events a year and a couple times took it on road courses. For autocross days I would try to get the gas close to empty and then buy the highest octane fuel I could get and the knock sensor would adjust to take advantage of it. I still miss that car. I would definitely consider an I4 for engine replacement in my van. I would like to one of those like the GTI had, but they're so old now, and it's partly for nostalgia and be cause I'm familiar with it. Sensibly thinking I would probably opt for a newer ABA like people on the list talk about. Edward At 10:23 PM 5/22/2010, Dennis Haynes wrote: >In the early 80's most VW products had 1.6 or some 1.7 liter engines, many >were still carbureted. Fuel injection was CIS. The Rabbit GTI was amongst >the first to get a 1.8. Those early engines may have been considered but the >Diesel was a major flop. Those early engines also had problems with valves >guides and seals and head bearing issues. Ask any older mechanic about the >smoking rabbits. > >Another issue most likely is emissions. If you understand engine design the >WB has a number of features to reduce NOx and also allow for a engine that >can be operated with the pedal down for long periods. Lower compression and >the dished pistons are the major design features not in the I4 of the time. >The Rabbit GTI needed a knock sensor and EGR. > >While not perfect the WB is a good engine in many ways. Lots of engines have >head gasket or other problems. Keep in mind that back in those days few >vehicles went past 100,000 miles. So what is the big deal if you need head >gaskets? It is just a repair. As for the "wet liner" design, most big diesel >engines are built this way. In the Diesel world engines such as the Cat C7 >in my motor home that have the cylinders bored in block, (parent bore) are >considered cheapies. Engines with replaceable liners that can be overhauled >"in frame" are highly desired. > >As for repair costs I had two injectors in my motor home go bad last >Christmas on the way home from Florida. Dealer said need 6 injectors and >high pressure pump. Estimate was $6,000. I replaced the two injectors that >went bad myself. They cost $635 EACH. This was for an engine that just >turned 57,000 miles. I prefer to do the Vanagon head gaskets. > >Dennis
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