Just to clarify again, there is no problem if you identify a product
by brand which is made in China. But when you make such a general
statement, it is comparable to calling a person a "Chinaman". If you
are not sensitive to that term, it is like calling an African American
the 'N' word. So saying a store is "China Freight" is as bad as
calling calling a store which specializes in African American products
a "(N-word) Store".

Perhaps it might help some of you to understand if reminded you that I
am of Chinese descent. Yes, I do find the term personally offensive.
And so did every Chinese American I polled in the past concerning this
very term.

BenT

Sent from my mobile device

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:13 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> Ben, I disagree.  Most of the stuff sold at Harbor Freight is from
> China.   Bryan was just recognizing that fact.  It is an economic
> observation, not a racial one.  Just my thoughts.  DMc
>
> ---- BenT Syncro <syncro@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> Bryan,
>>
>> The term "China Freight" is racist and not acceptable on the List.
>>
>> Please feel free to contact either one of the moderators should you
>> require further clarification.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> BenT
>> Sent from my moderating ramp
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:09 PM, B Feddish <bfeddish@NETREACH.NET> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, that was my thought. I was going to return them and try
>>> using jack stands and floor jack for extra safety since I cannot
>>> find the metal ramps anywhere.  Even "China Freight" does not have
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Dave Mcneely
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:01 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Plastic Ramps
>>>
>>> Despite Mr. Squirrel having had success with such ramps, I would
>>> take them back to the place I bought them and expect a full refund.
>>> They are worthless (experience speaking).  Then get a good set of
>>> stands.  Jack your van up, set the stands under it, and lower it
>>> onto them.  You won't have a problem.
>>>
>>> Or, buy a good set of metal ramps with a low incline.  Part of the
>>> problem with most cheap ramps is the steepness of the incline.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts.  And metal ramps are available.  But, plastic ones
>>> with a low incline might be ok.  Obviously, whatever supports you
>>> use must be adequate for the weight.
>>>
>>> DMc
>>>
>>> ---- Mister Tom <TomsGroups@SALICOS.COM> wrote:
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:19 PM
>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Plastic Ramps
>>>>>
>>>>> B Feddish wrote:
>>>>>> OK, the only ramps I could find at any store for my van where
>>>>>> those
>>>>> plastic
>>>>>> ones. OK, 1 hour later and the bottoms are all scraped up from
>>>>>> sliding
>>>>>> forward as I try to drive onto them.. I even tried jacking the
>>>>>> van up a
>>>>> bit
>>>>>> and sliding the ramps under and trying to drive the rest of the
>>>>>> way up.
>>>>> No
>>>>>> good.  What is the trick to using these pieces of crap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I read a brilliant yet simple suggestion here last week: if there
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> already a hole at the leading edge of the ramp, then drill one.
>>>>> 1/4'' or
>>>>> so. Tie a bit of nylon rope or webbing or whatever through that
>>>>> hole and
>>>>> lay it on the ground so the tire drives on the rope first. The
>>>>> ramp
>>>>> ain't goin' nowhere once the tire pins the cord to the ground. Oh,
>>>>> it
>>>>> may complain, but it's yours. Land that baby.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>>>> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
>>>>> 74 Westrailia: (Ladybug Trailer company, San Juan Capistrano,
>>>>> Calif.)
>>>>> Bend, OR
>>>>> KG6RCR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would re-consider the suggestion to modify the ramps in any way.
>>>> If they
>>>> ever failed for any other reason, you might be giving the
>>>> manufacturer a
>>>> defense in a liability lawsuit.  No, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I
>>>> play one on
>>>> TV.  It just crossed my mind.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Salicos
>>>>
>>>> '87 Syncro Westy EG-33
>>>
>>> --
>>> David McNeely
>
> --
> David McNeely