

| Subject: | Re: Why my rear axle nuts got loose |
| From: | Max Wellhouse |
| Date: | Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:57:59 -0500 |
The simple solution to braking all those expensive tools is to use 3/4" drive equipment. I'm not sure any 1/2" drive stuff was designed to handle 360 ft. lbs. of torque. My Craftsman 3/4" drive flex handle is healthy after all the times I've R &R'ed my rear axle nuts over the years., Sure, it gets used maybe once every 3-4 years, but it's there when I need it. This is one set of tools that I would NOT buy at Harbor Freight.l I only have maybe 4 or 5 3/4" drive sockets, but they can be bought one at a time as needed. DM&FS At 06:46 AM 6/12/2010, Mike wrote: > In my experience if you haven't broken and bent a few breaker bars then >you're not applying enough torque. "Smokin' plus a quarter of a turn". >Yes, they need to be tighter than you hand can push on a 2 foot bar. If >you're 180 lbs and you stand on the very end of a horizontal bar and it >won't turn any further, you've applied 360 ft/lbs. Jumping is a no-no. >This will break many cheap (and some not-so-cheap) ratchets and breaker >bars. > I can't tell you how many Craftsman, Snap-On, Mac Tools, Cornwall, Proto, >no-name, etc that I've snapped over 30 years of VWing. Only buy good ones >with lifetime warrantee (like Craftsman) and expect to swap out a few broken >ones now and then. > Never loosen to line up a cotterpin hole, tighten only! You're axles are >very hardened forged steel, your drums are soft cast iron, your axle-nuts >are high-grade steel. > The drum splines and nut threads take the first wear (easiest parts to >replace), while the axle stub splines or threads would be last to wear in >extreme cases. > Disassembly, cleaning and inspection will tell you the extent and location >of the damage. By the sounds of it, you definitely have some damage due to >this situation going on for so long. > If you're lucky, you can get by for long while with slightly worn drum >splines and new nuts properly-torqued. If you can't get them tight enough, >even all new parts will soon be destroyed. > Yes, it's that critical and your description of your previous attempts >sound casual at best. You may also have inherited a very worn set of parts >from the DPO. > >Mike B. > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM> >Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:39 AM >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >Subject: Re: Why my rear axle nuts got loose > >>Hello David, thanks for the quick reply. I hope it is not damaged that >>easily yet. Last year the axles were taken off to replace broken CV joint >>boots. I had been paying attention to the rear wheels. The noise from >>loose axle nuts is very easy to idnetify. I had two AC beaetles in the >>past and I had that problem before. So when I heard it last year I took >>the earliest opportunity to tighten them. The noise immediately went away. >>It has been good for more than 6 months. Then it started again on one >>wheel. I checked it and it sure was loose. So I tightened it again. This >>was about two weeks ago. That wheel is doing fine now. Then I heard the >>same noise from the other wheel. I checked it today and sure enough it was >>loose. I tightened it just an hour ago. I will know if the noise goes away >>tomorrow. >> >>If the noise does go away does it mean the axle is OK? My question is they >>had worked for more than 6 months. So the nuts have been tight, although >>not quite enough. Because I had to turn about another 30 degree it makes >>me wonder if something has worn and it takes 1/12 turn to tighten them >>again. >> >>When I said loose it's not like you can turn it by hand. You have to turn >>it by a wrench (1/2" drive 2 feet long bar). So I don't feel the splines >>on the axle are damaged. The question in my mind is is it possible the >>axle is going to break off. I know it is probably not very likely. But >>does it ever happen to anyone to have a broken axle? Last time they were >>loose I turned the nuts probably 1/12 turn. Now they were turned again >>1/12 turn. Something must be wearing out inside or the axle is pulled so >>hard and about to break off. Again this is probably not likely. But I am >>concerned really. >> >>Thanks again David. >> >>MJ >> >>--- On Fri, 6/11/10, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote: >> >>From: David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> >>Subject: Re: Why my rear axle nuts got loose >>To: "M. Jade" <tinho2010@YAHOO.COM> >>Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 10:35 PM >> >>At 01:19 AM 6/12/2010, M. Jade wrote: >>>My rear wheels have been making rumbling noise. According to my past >>>experience I know it is the axle nuts that are probably loose. So I >>>finally checked them today. Sure enough they are loose. I tightened them >>>until I could not turn further. I do not have a torque wrench so I am >>>sure I did not apply enough torque. >> >>Dear M. Jade, >> >>If your axle nuts aren't tight enough, the hub will slip on the axle >>splines and damage both of them. It sounds as though this has already >>happened and the hubs and axles may need to be replaced. It's necessary >>to be sure that you have axle nuts with ten slots (rather than the older >>ones with six). You must tighten them to 360 lb-ft / 500 Newton-meters >>and then additionally tighten until the next slot lines up with the hole >>for the cotter pin. The main risk is that the drive axles will no longer >>be able to power the wheels reliably, or that the nut itself might >>possibly fail in which case the wheel would depart from the vehicle. >> >>This is not something you can be casual about. If you cannot tighten them >>properly yourself you must get someone to do it for you. >> >>Yours, >>David >> >> >>
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