---- Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:

> I really don't understand the reluctance to get a real wrench, ie
> 1/2" breaker bar and socket for this job.
>
> oh well Dave, to each his own.

thanks for the advice Alistair.  So far as reluctance, I am reluctant to BUY anything.  I only want stuff I don't need (like most people)                          :-} .
David McNeely