No, you're right Scott, the wide fives have the stupid lug bolts all the way
around.  I

Was that just so I had to sit in the mud to change a friggin' tire?  ;)

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> re
>
> stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>
> are you sure ?
> I've owned lots of those, and I only remember bolts at all four corners.
>
> sure of it actually ..
> here's a way to remember ..Split Window buses ...
> those use the large 5 lug bolt pattern up to 1970 ( first year of a
> 'regular wheel' with small center hole and 5 X 112 bolt patter is  the 71
> Bay Window Bus .....last year of 1600 engine, first year of disc brakes, and
> normal wheels ) ..
> so if old Buses with that large bolt pattern had studs sticking out of the
> drums ..
> we would remember such an odd thing.
> and studs in the rear would start with the normal type wheels in 71, I
> believe.
>
> by normal I mean a center hole of about 3 inches in diameter, and 5 X 112
> bolt pattern..
> not the wheels with a huge hole in the middle prior to that .  Those were
> all 15 inch ..
> the normal type Van wheels are 14's , pretty sure.
>
> but back to vanagons.
> the best overall VW ever made.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:58 PM
>
> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>
>
>  Hey Dave, stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>
>> Volks Cafe's Big Brake Kit will give you studs on the front too.
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>  ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> > and checking how tight they are after getting van back from a tire >
>>> store
>>> -
>>> > very smart !
>>>
>>> Just got back.  Lug bolts (not nuts, which I said previously in error)
>>> were
>>> torqued at the shop to the 130 ft. lbs specified in the owner's book (I
>>> saw
>>> the tech make the adjustment on the wrench and tighten to the click).  An
>>> odd thing there (Discount Tires):  the clerk ("Assistant Manager" --
>>>  aren't
>>> they all?) told me his spec for the torque was 120 ft. lbs, and showed me
>>> on
>>> his computer screen.  I questioned that, and he read further, finding
>>> that
>>> his program stated that the 120 ft. lbs was for lug nuts, and that the
>>> torque for lug bolts might differ (but it didn't specify what it should
>>> be).
>>>
>>> Do any of you have nuts on studs, rather than bolts in holes?  Just
>>> askin'............... .
>>>
>>> BTW, I have no trouble loosening the lugs with my 4-way (just checked
>>> after
>>> returning from the tire shop), but I likely will get a breaker and socket
>>> --
>>> for the easier storage if for nothing else.  Why haul around 3 extra arms
>>> and sockets I don't need?  So, is an inexpensive breaker ok, or do I need
>>> to
>>> pay a higher dollar?  Are they adjustable for torque, or do I use it like
>>> I
>>> have always used any lug wrench -- tighten until it seems right?
>>>
>>> Wow, I seem naive for an old fart, but I've never used anything other
>>> than
>>> a lug wrench on wheels.
>>>
>>> Another question --  The owner's manual says to rotate the tires front to
>>> back and back to front, with no crossover.  That's like we used to do
>>> with
>>> directional radials, but most are not directional now.  I have
>>> symmetrical
>>> tires, and I like to include the spare in the rotation.  The tire shop
>>> guy
>>> first said to just move them around the vehicle in a circular fashion
>>> including the spare.  Then he found in his service book that said if the
>>> customer insists on including the spare in the rotation to switch the
>>> spare
>>> for the right front, which becomes the spare, cross the rears to the
>>> front,
>>> move the fronts straight back to the rear.  I have always crossed rears
>>> to
>>> front as his service book said, but I was just wondering what most folks
>>> do.
>>>  Also, his service book stated that it is "not recommended" to include
>>> the
>>> spare in the rotation.  Why would that be?  He had no explanation.  I
>>> prefer
>>> to include the spare in the rotation so as not to accumulate an old but
>>> not
>>> used tire -- I bought five tires new 14 months ago, and they now have a
>>> bit
>>> over 6K miles.  At that rate, these tires will still be around in 8 or 10
>>> years.  I should use all five, seems to me.  BTW, they are Kumho 857s,
>>> and
>>> they are wearing wonderfully well -- nice and even across the tread, even
>>> around all four tires.
>>>
>>> David McNeely
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>
>> www.thebassspa.com
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>
>
>

--
Jake

1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'

Crescent Beach, BC

www.thebassspa.com
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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