I sit on the ground and raise the tire/wheel assembly with my toes to line
up the bolt hole.

Could be because I'm shorter.  ;)

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> well..
> forgot it's friday ..
> so we can talk about oddball wheel types and fitments on cars.
>
> shouldn't be too hard for people to think of a car from the late 50's with
> wheels held on by one center bolt...an allen bolt no less.
> That same car also has a starter held in with one bolt , like a pointed
> 'index bolt' with lock nut on it.
>
> a free long distance psychic vanagon healing to anyone who answers correcty
> to both.
>
> personally, I kneel in the friggin' mud, not sit in it, to change a tire.
> :-)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:47 PM
>
> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>
>
>  No, you're right Scott, the wide fives have the stupid lug bolts all the
>> way
>> around.  I
>>
>> Was that just so I had to sit in the mud to change a friggin' tire?  ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>
>>  re
>>>
>>> stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug bolts
>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>>
>>> are you sure ?
>>> I've owned lots of those, and I only remember bolts at all four corners.
>>>
>>> sure of it actually ..
>>> here's a way to remember ..Split Window buses ...
>>> those use the large 5 lug bolt pattern up to 1970 ( first year of a
>>> 'regular wheel' with small center hole and 5 X 112 bolt patter is  the 71
>>> Bay Window Bus .....last year of 1600 engine, first year of disc brakes,
>>> and
>>> normal wheels ) ..
>>> so if old Buses with that large bolt pattern had studs sticking out of
>>> the
>>> drums ..
>>> we would remember such an odd thing.
>>> and studs in the rear would start with the normal type wheels in 71, I
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> by normal I mean a center hole of about 3 inches in diameter, and 5 X 112
>>> bolt pattern..
>>> not the wheels with a huge hole in the middle prior to that .  Those were
>>> all 15 inch ..
>>> the normal type Van wheels are 14's , pretty sure.
>>>
>>> but back to vanagons.
>>> the best overall VW ever made.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake de Villiers" <
>>> crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
>>>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:58 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: lug nuts torque-
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hey Dave, stock Vanagon fitment is nuts on studs in the rear and lug
>>> bolts
>>>
>>>> in the front just like a Beetle or Split.
>>>>
>>>> Volks Cafe's Big Brake Kit will give you studs on the front too.
>>>>
>>>> Jake
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > and checking how tight they are after getting van back from a tire >
>>>>> store
>>>>> -
>>>>> > very smart !
>>>>>
>>>>> Just got back.  Lug bolts (not nuts, which I said previously in error)
>>>>> were
>>>>> torqued at the shop to the 130 ft. lbs specified in the owner's book (I
>>>>> saw
>>>>> the tech make the adjustment on the wrench and tighten to the click).
>>>>> An
>>>>> odd thing there (Discount Tires):  the clerk ("Assistant Manager" --
>>>>>  aren't
>>>>> they all?) told me his spec for the torque was 120 ft. lbs, and showed
>>>>> me
>>>>> on
>>>>> his computer screen.  I questioned that, and he read further, finding
>>>>> that
>>>>> his program stated that the 120 ft. lbs was for lug nuts, and that the
>>>>> torque for lug bolts might differ (but it didn't specify what it should
>>>>> be).
>>>>>
>>>>> Do any of you have nuts on studs, rather than bolts in holes?  Just
>>>>> askin'............... .
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I have no trouble loosening the lugs with my 4-way (just checked
>>>>> after
>>>>> returning from the tire shop), but I likely will get a breaker and
>>>>> socket
>>>>> --
>>>>> for the easier storage if for nothing else.  Why haul around 3 extra
>>>>> arms
>>>>> and sockets I don't need?  So, is an inexpensive breaker ok, or do I
>>>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> pay a higher dollar?  Are they adjustable for torque, or do I use it
>>>>> like
>>>>> I
>>>>> have always used any lug wrench -- tighten until it seems right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I seem naive for an old fart, but I've never used anything other
>>>>> than
>>>>> a lug wrench on wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another question --  The owner's manual says to rotate the tires front
>>>>> to
>>>>> back and back to front, with no crossover.  That's like we used to do
>>>>> with
>>>>> directional radials, but most are not directional now.  I have
>>>>> symmetrical
>>>>> tires, and I like to include the spare in the rotation.  The tire shop
>>>>> guy
>>>>> first said to just move them around the vehicle in a circular fashion
>>>>> including the spare.  Then he found in his service book that said if
>>>>> the
>>>>> customer insists on including the spare in the rotation to switch the
>>>>> spare
>>>>> for the right front, which becomes the spare, cross the rears to the
>>>>> front,
>>>>> move the fronts straight back to the rear.  I have always crossed rears
>>>>> to
>>>>> front as his service book said, but I was just wondering what most
>>>>> folks
>>>>> do.
>>>>>  Also, his service book stated that it is "not recommended" to include
>>>>> the
>>>>> spare in the rotation.  Why would that be?  He had no explanation.  I
>>>>> prefer
>>>>> to include the spare in the rotation so as not to accumulate an old but
>>>>> not
>>>>> used tire -- I bought five tires new 14 months ago, and they now have a
>>>>> bit
>>>>> over 6K miles.  At that rate, these tires will still be around in 8 or
>>>>> 10
>>>>> years.  I should use all five, seems to me.  BTW, they are Kumho 857s,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they are wearing wonderfully well -- nice and even across the tread,
>>>>> even
>>>>> around all four tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> David McNeely
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jake
>>>>
>>>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>>>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>>>
>>>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>>>
>>>> www.thebassspa.com
>>>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
>> 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
>> 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'
>>
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>
>> www.thebassspa.com
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>
>
>

--
Jake

1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX 'The Grey Van'
1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Suby 'Dixie'

Crescent Beach, BC

www.thebassspa.com
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27