Yup.
now I'm even wondering if someone is just taking us for a ride here.
lol.

----- Original Message -----
From: "levi hawkins" <b1levi@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Buying advice

> I'll confess to being a little bit perplexed by this one.
> If it was in N. Dakota or someplace remote....but in Oregon there's got to
> be the thickest concentration of vanagon folks, surely someone nearby the
> vehicle could have acted as intermediary?
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/6/10, craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> From: craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Buying advice
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:36 PM
>
> He took his asking price. I responded to his asking price within 5 minutes
> of the car being listed. I agreed to buy it and got the wheels turning.
> Then
> over the course of a week, we both had various commitments so the process
> was slow. During that week, the real offers came in....
> offering market value.
>
> My fingers are crossed and my hopes high.
>
> -Craig
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Bernie <berniej@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sadly I believe you had made your decision before asking the list for
>> their
>> opinion.
>> Everyone I saw, and myself privately, suggested this was not the way to
>> transact
>> business.
>> The seller created a " sense of urgency".
>> The seller does not have a good reputation.
>> The seller wants you to take all the risks.
>> The seller now has your money and you have no signature, no bill of sale
>> and no vehicle, nor have you laid eyes on the vehicle.
>> Lastly am I correct in assuming you believe that the seller took
>> 1/3 of the price he could get for it because he was trying to help you!
>> Please let us know how things turn out.
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 2010-07-06, at 5:24 PM, craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> > I appreciate all the advice, particularly the first half of the advice
>> > I
>> > recieved before buying it at noon....
>> > : )
>> >
>> > To be fair, his "bad reviews" were from 2 people, they were frequent,
>> > and
>> > they were resolved. They were resolved in a satisfactory way that
>> > Everett
>> > let him back on thesamba and even wrote a little thing acknowledging
>> > that
>> > this bad review was not very valid. The reviews in question were in
>> regards
>> > to a guy that bought a split window bus PROJECT from him, only to find
>> > it
>> > had rust. Seriously? That's expected I thought.
>> > And the other review was in regards to shipping a large item (I think
>> > it
>> was
>> > a middle seat) to Tailand, and it took SURPRISE.... more than 2 weeks.
>> > So to give the man some credit, his slate may as well be clean. This
>> stuff
>> > happens, particularly if you sell alot of stuff.
>> >
>> > Anyway, for the last week i've been talking to the guy and getting
>> > really
>> > good vibes about him. He's been very helpful and I sincerely think I am
>> > getting a wonderful deal. The sad part of this situation is that I had
>> > a
>> > deadline with which to pay him the money which was today, as he's
>> > closing
>> a
>> > house (he's been upfront about that since day 1). The reason being, my
>> price
>> > was 1/3 the cost of what he had another buyer lined up to pay, cash
>> ready,
>> > that could make the deadline. He was going out of his way to be nice to
>> me,
>> > since we agreed upon a price first.
>> >
>> > He now has my money, and I have an email correspondence with him
>> > listing
>> his
>> > personal information, contact information, and a stated (though still
>> > unofficial) bill of sale which includes the VIN number, pictures, and a
>> > description of the conditions.
>> >
>> > The vehicle is in Portland Oregon.
>> > I am "planning" to have it shipped. I would however LOVE to drive it
>> home.
>> > Any volunteers to do some work on it for me : ) ????
>> > I could have it shipped to you.... you could make it work...... I could
>> fly
>> > out....we could hang out..... i could have an adventure driving it
>> > home...... : )
>> > Just throwin it out there.....
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks again guys!
>> >
>> > -Craig
>> > '85GL turned WESTY
>> > BOSTIG In the back
>> > '87SUNROOF SYNCRO
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>> > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Roger,
>> >> thanks for mentioning me.
>> >> I sure hope it works out for the guy buying the van, whatever happens.
>> >> I'm glad he posted.
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >> www.turbovans.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
>> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:35 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Buying advice
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> dear far and away
>> >>>
>> >>> there are a few choices to make here
>> >>> 1. send money ... laugh or cry later
>> >>> 2. Go to see the guy and make purchase in person ..
>> >>> 3. fly to oregon and if you dont like the van ...go see scott in
>> medford
>> >>> and
>> >>> buy one of his
>> >>> 4. you in PA already .. go see chris and drive away with all his junk
>> ...
>> >>> store it and then go get what ever you like from who ever and you
>> already
>> >>> have all the parts you need
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. send money ... hire other to pick up vehicle ...
>> >>> 6 Rebuy already purchased vehicle from the scammers again and again
>> from
>> >>> various online ... send money now ... get goods later people ...
>> >>> 7. Fly to england and go to the brickyard there to purchase ... send
>> money
>> >>> in GBP before you go so you can loose twice as much in exchange rate
>> >>> 8. buy a delicia
>> >>> 9. buy a toyota
>> >>> 10 take a holiday on a cruise ship $$ are the same spent and
>> >>> adventure
>> is
>> >>> more controllable as onboard casino is set at 60 % house 40% guest
>> >>>
>> >>> yours
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:40 AM, craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm working on closing a deal today on a sunroof syncro that's in
>> Oregon
>> >>>> (I
>> >>>> am in PA). Anyway....
>> >>>> The buyer has asked that I just transfer money via a wire transfer
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> full
>> >>>> to his bank account which i normally wouldn't be overly hesitant
>> >>>> about
>> >>>> but
>> >>>> realize this would not afford me any type of fraud prevention should
>> >>>> anything happen. I asked him a few days ago what assurance he can
>> >>>> give
>> me
>> >>>> that this is going to be a fullproof transaction and his response
>> >>>> was
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> should it go sour for any reason, just bash him on thesamba.com.
>> Since
>> >>>> he
>> >>>> runs a VW restoration business almost entirely through thesamba, it
>> >>>> seemed
>> >>>> like a just response. Well..... I went and checked him out on the
>> samba,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> he's already been bashed enough. He's been banned close to 10 times
>> >>>> (under
>> >>>> different names), there are pending fraudulant claims and arguments
>> >>>> occuring
>> >>>> between he and buyers. Luckily, there are also great reviews of his
>> >>>> service
>> >>>> being above and beyond the call of duty. So this has me at least
>> slightly
>> >>>> concerned, any suggestions?
>> >>>> Paypal may be an option, does that award a great deal more security?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Furthermore, I don't recieve a bill of sale via the mail for at
>> >>>> least
>> a
>> >>>> week
>> >>>> after I give the guy all my money..... indicating that I don't
>> actually
>> >>>> own
>> >>>> the car, but have given aside all my money. I asked that he send me
>> >>>> an
>> >>>> email
>> >>>> with his full name, address, the VIN of the car, and which contains
>> >>>> agreement terms....should I need to press charges later. Does this
>> sound
>> >>>> like a reasonable thing to want? Am I fair in wanting something like
>> this
>> >>>> BEFORE I pay? He seems to indicate (and I can see this point as
>> >>>> well)
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> no actual change of ownership agreements ever occur untill after
>> >>>> purchase.
>> >>>> Sadly he's been pretty tricky with emails, so I have my concerns
>> (Though
>> >>>> he's easiliy reached via the phone and a wonderful person to talk
>> >>>> too.
>> He
>> >>>> seems to be really interested in helping me out).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>> I'm very excited about this purchase, but very concerned now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Craig
>> >>>> '85GL turned WESTY
>> >>>> BOSTIG in the back
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> roger w
>> >>> From Proverbs:
>> >>> Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up:
>> >>> a
>> >>> servant who becomes king ...
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