I paid 4$ per foot at "tractor supply"

-Ry
Sent from my pocket hitchhikers guide.

On Jul 24, 2010 1:54 PM, "craig cowan" <phishman068@gmail.com> wrote:
> A little testing has just shown the following....
> Battery is holding 12.25v at rest. That's not ideal, but not terrible
> either. It should be able to start the car.
> However, under load, the battery is dropping to 10.2v or lower. That's....
> not ideal.
> I had the battery load tested a few months ago and it tested okay. So I'm
> thinking now it's finally dead.
> Replacing the battery will probably get me back on my way, at least for
the
> time being.
> However, it could also well mask a larger problem. In this case, it
appears
> that there's about a volt drop between the battery and the starter. Some
> drop I expect, but a volt seems pretty high. I'm going to take care of
some
> grounds and hope to reduce that a bit. But, if the starter is only getting
> 9volts, there's simply no reason why the car should start. So.....
> Again, I think the new battery will fix it, and mask the problem, possibly
> for years to come even. And since the car is sentenced to death in the
next
> 6 months and all it's good bits donated to an eagerly awaiting
syncro......
>
> This seems logical enough.
> At the very least, it's a good place to start.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Craig
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> FIFTEEN DOLLARS PER FOOT!?!?!?
>> That's what the local marine store I frequent wanted for 2/0 cable. I am
>> not, by any means, paying that!
>> I have a friend that makes wiring harnesses offer to make me a new cable
>> for less than half the cost of that.
>> Furthermore, I'm fine with the idea of just buying a used cable if need
be.
>> So far, I don't even know that this is really what I need even.
>>
>> I purchased some 4guage wire and terminals to add some new grounds.
>> It has been suggested that a ground directly from the starter to the body
>> would make alot of sense (I can see this being logical), so we'll see
what
>> that yields.
>>
>> I'm not about to spend most of $200 on a piece of wire for a problem that
>> might not exist.
>> I'm also hopefully getting a known good starter tommorow as well. Then of
>> course, i'm not confident in the battery.
>>
>>
>> -Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fair enough.
>>>
>>> Reliability is not detrimentally affected by leaving the old ones in
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Albeit your method keeps with stock routing and looks nice(r).
>>>
>>> peace,
>>> -Ry
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:04 AM, dylan <insyncro@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Cool, thats your method.
>>> > "Some conductivity" in a few more years will be no conductivity.
>>> > I remove the old and replace with new.
>>> > My vans and clients vans really appreciate the effort.
>>> > Reliability is the highest concern at my shop.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> > *From:* Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com>
>>> > *To:* dylan <insyncro@yahoo.com>
>>> > *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>> > *Sent:* Sat, July 24, 2010 11:44:13 AM
>>> >
>>> > *Subject:* Re: Symptoms of a bad starter?
>>> >
>>> > the old cables are not "useless" they are still providing some
>>> > conductivity, so adding new cables to the old cables will be likely
>>> better
>>> > than "new".
>>> >
>>> > ~$40 for all the cable to replace.
>>> >
>>> > -Ry
>>> > http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM, dylan <insyncro@yahoo.com<
>>> http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/mailto%3A%25e%25>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I remove the old useless cable. Why keep it?
>>> >> I replace them with cables exclusively from 90 or 91 vans that had
the
>>> >> dual
>>> >> battery setup stock.
>>> >> I test all compnents before doing anyhting.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you want new cable...be prepared to pay handsomely.
>>> >> Welding supply has what you need.
>>> >>
>>> >> FYI, 1.9 starters are 3/4 hp vs. 1 hp for the 2.1s.
>>> >> Watch it on rebuilds.
>>> >> They don't differentiate between the two any longer.
>>> >> I send all 3/4 horse starters back and don't even mess with them.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >> From: craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM<
>>> http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/mailto%3A%25e%25>
>>> >> >
>>> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<
>>> http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/mailto%3A%25e%25>
>>> >> Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 8:49:20 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Symptoms of a bad starter?
>>> >>
>>> >> So if you run a new cable, you just run it strait from the battery to
>>> >> the
>>> >> starter?
>>> >> Do you remove the old one? Does the old one go exclusively from the
>>> >> battery
>>> >> strait to the charger?
>>> >>
>>> >> So, you would get a piece of wire, with the same battery post clamp
on
>>> one
>>> >> end? (And the eye on the other).
>>> >>
>>> >> -Craig
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com<
>>> http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/mailto%3A%25e%25>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I had similar problems on my 2.1. My solution, which may or may not
>>> >> work
>>> >> > for you, was to run parallel cables at the following locations.
>>> >> > Battery <----------------------------> starter ~ 11 feet
>>> >> > Front Transmission <---------> Body ~ 8 inches (make sure not to
>>> >> connect
>>> >> > just to the transmission mount bolts as this is electrically
>>> insulated
>>> >> from
>>> >> > the rest of the engine/transmission assembly by the rubber mount)
>>> >> > Alternator <---------> Starter ~2.5 feet
>>> >> >
>>> >> > All cables made from 2/0 purchased from welding supply and crimp
>>> >> connected
>>> >> > to closed ring connectors found in the same supply store.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My van starts with ZERO hesitation now and turns over super quick.
>>> >> Before
>>> >> > I couldn't get it to turn over and jumping it would barely work.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > MIGHT be your whole problem or just PART of the problem. The other
>>> >> things
>>> >> > mentioned about the brushes wearing out are also a likely culprit.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Ry
>>> >> > http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:13 AM, craig cowan <
phishman068@gmail.com
>>> <http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/mailto%3A%25e%25>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > So, my starter is a randomly picked, untested 1.9 starter that
was
>>> in
>>> >> a
>>> >> > > pile
>>> >> > > of them some years ago.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Lately, the bus simply won't start. I get great power to all the
>>> >> > > accessories, the battery appears to be holding and charging just
>>> fine,
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > > the thing just won't turn over fast enough to be of any value.
I've
>>> >> > cleaned
>>> >> > > all my grounds, I've tightened all my leads, and yet.... no dice.
>>> >> > > Jumping the battery off another car no longer has any effect.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I'm starting to think my starter is a bad egg. Any thoughts?
>>> >> > > What type of symptoms would be expected from a failing
>>> starter....if
>>> >> > other
>>> >> > > than what I described?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > -Craig
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>